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View Poll Results: What will happen down the road when Obamacare starts running out of money?
Taxes will be raised. 29 72.50%
Health care will be rationed. 20 50.00%
People with expensive, debilitating illnesses will get reduced care, more painkillers etc. 16 40.00%
Waiting times for non-elective treatments will increase, to months or years. 17 42.50%
Govt will start deciding whether old folks with just a few years left, should get full health care or not. 16 40.00%
Barack Obama will be blamed. 15 37.50%
Congress will be blamed. 11 27.50%
George W. Bush will be blamed. 9 22.50%
Canadians who need more care than THEIR govt health-care system provides, will stop coming here. 9 22.50%
Other (if you choose this option, please explain in your post) 4 10.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-11-2009, 02:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Have you ever seen a large government program that DIDN'T start running out of money?

When it does, what will be the government's response? Keep in mind that, by then, most private health care providers will have gone out of business, unable to compete with taxpayer-subsidized Govt health care and still keep up with malpractice insurance (even those who have never had a claim), etc.

You can make multiple choices in the poll above.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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If health care reform is passed, I'm sure the Republicans will try to starve the beast and blame it on the Democrats.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Insurance companies make a killing. This government option is going to be free. There is still going to be premiums just like any other health insurance. If the cost of the program goes up then premiums can be increased to keep up with cost.

But, of course, you didnt want to include a logical option in your poll.
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Insurance companies make a killing. This government option is going to be free. There is still going to be premiums just like any other health insurance. If the cost of the program goes up then premiums can be increased to keep up with cost.
So, people will have a choice between paying higher and higher premiums, or going to the "free" (ha) Government Option?

Obviously, most if not all will go to the Govt Option.

How will the Insurance Companies "make a killing" (or even survive) when no one is left to pay their increasing premiums?

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But, of course, you didnt want to include a logical option in your poll.
I included many logical options. Just didn't want to include a blindly silly one like the one you mentioned. Who can blame me?
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:47 PM
 
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So, people will have a choice between paying higher and higher premiums, or going to the "free" (ha) Government Option?

Obviously, most if not all will go to the Govt Option.

How will the Insurance Companies "make a killing" (or even survive) when no one is left to pay their increasing premiums?


I included many logical options. Just didn't want to include a blindly silly one like the one you mentioned. Who can blame me?
Logically, insurance companies make a killing is a present-tense statement. They probably won't make a killing in the future. But they can survive and even thrive by providing premium services in exchange for the premiums they collect. That would be the beauty of the two-payer system, versus the single-payer system.

Also, it seems that Obama's plan is to run the public option the Walton way. Using quantity to control costs. So even if more people sign on to the public options, that simply increases the power to control costs. The public sector can increase the number of doctors and facilities by increasing compensation levels when that is necessary. The availability of private options in the market introduces a tension in the market that assures some people of the premium care they desire, while keeping a measure of affordability in the market for the majority of people.

It should be noted that the people who will be most negatively affected will be the rural segments of our population. One of the things these town meetings should be discussing are innovative ways to fund hospitals and to attract doctors to rural areas.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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This government option is going to be free.
And THIS is why we're on the path we're on. People actually believe this garbage.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:18 PM
 
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And THIS is why we're on the path we're on. People actually believe this garbage.
There's a significant percentage of our population that pay nothing in federal taxes. For them, it will be free. And yes, that's exactly why we're on the path we're on - they'll just keep voting themselves more and more freebies.
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:59 PM
 
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That's why you should earn the right to vote by paying taxes.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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That's why you should earn the right to vote by paying taxes.
Interesting idea. But the "one man, one vote" idea has been sacrosanct in this country for centuries, and I can't see changing it over trivialities like upset Democrats.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:47 PM
 
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Insurance companies make a killing. This government option is going to be free. There is still going to be premiums just like any other health insurance. If the cost of the program goes up then premiums can be increased to keep up with cost.

But, of course, you didnt want to include a logical option in your poll.
Can you explain your "logical" option a little more?

How do you increase the premiums of something that is free?

Here's a hint, its not going to be free, at least for the non-leech citizens who work hard. They will be footing the bill through higher taxes.
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