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And you seem to fail to make the connection that Europe as European Union is ONE nation (under member states) which comprise of 500 million people today and a combination of 27 countries.
Europe is not a country, neither is the EU. Brussels does not have supreme authority or jurisdiction over member states. Instead, much like the UN, member EU states report to Brussels. Not the other way around. The EU is nothing more than a loose confederation of multiple countries who have pooled their assets (if in name only) in order to compete with American and Chinese comparative advantages in manufacturing, technology, and logistics. You know as well as I do that Brussels has no real power over member EU states.
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Originally Posted by antibes
And ALL of these nations, even the poorest ones who are newly joined members - which is a burden - have been given complete UHC to cover each and all, every single one of them. Not only healthcare, but the entire list of social services and rights so common under their system: sick leave, maternity leave, unemployment benefits, welfare, 5 wk paid vacation a year, 40 hr work weeks, pensions on retirement (generally at 65) and so on and on. And the rich "member states" (countries) chip in to lift up the poor ones so they will develop and become financially independent and then be able to contribute their own resources to the EU economy. The EU economy in total is the strongest and richest in the world.
Sounds like the US, aside from true UHC - Which, for the record, does not exist in Switzerland, or at least, not with the traditional setup. They have more of a hybrid system that preserved their private insurance companies, as opposed to liquidating them. Although technically the US has had UHC for the past 66 years, through the HRSA, Medicare/Medicaid, and various other government and state run health insurance providers.
And for the record, if you continue to advertise that the EU is a country, do you believe NAFTA members are also a united country?
The EU collects fees from all member states (countries). It can in small scale be compared to the system here with Federal taxes and state taxes.
If one of the member states run short, the EU chips in to balance the account.
I don't think it really works that way. I think all they share is the Euro, no policies, no taxes, no nothing but currency.
How many immigrants even? Switzerland is not only vastly smaller in population, but its population is basically homogenous. Just one of many factors that come into play. No one aspect has a direct correlation to a particular outcome.
Switzerland once again has the highest living standard in the world!! It is also LIBERAL with National Healthcare!
SINGAPORE (Reuters Life!) – It pays to work in Switzerland: employees in Zurich and Geneva have the highest net wages in the world, a study by banking group UBS shows, while those in India's Mumbai take home the lowest.
The Swiss cities were also ranked among the top five most expensive in the world in the bank's 2009 "Price and Earnings" international study.
"With its extremely high gross wages and comparatively low tax rates, Switzerland is a very employee-friendly country," the Swiss bank said in a statement.
"No other cities allows workers to take home more income at the end of the month than Zurich and Geneva."
Want the world's best wages? Move to Switzerland - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090827/lf_nm_life/us_wages_study - broken link)
You can also own automatic rifles in Switzerland. The real solution for wealth is less gun control.
The news said there was 30 million uninsured first. Now they say its 45 million. No matter whether it is 20, 30 or 45 million - there is no universal health care for 307 million people.
The health care system here SUCKS. Why argue when you can have it for "free" - and if that doesn't suit you, pay extra and have it private. Both options exist in other countries, and can exist here too.
The news can say what it likes the fact is there are about 20 million uninsured. UHC is not an end in itself getting people insured is.
Nothing is "free" you pay taxes for it.
There would be fewer choices with a public option because the government has a bottomless wallet. They can print and spend money. If private insurance is in the red it can continue to operate for only so long.
The systems in other countries are not perfect why trade one set of problems for another set of problems. One of the main reasons the US is the worlds greatest country (based on wealth, freedom and strength) is because we favor market based solutions over the government.
Yes, critical thinking is a lost art. With all the potential factors that play into wealth, we supposed to assume that it's because of UHC because that's the cause of the day?
Here is a statistic that you can believe in. Most jobs created are those that traditionally do not provide health insurance to its employment for one reason or another. Part time work, restaurants, construction, hotel workers, many services jobs. Those jobs on the decline are jobs that traditionally do provide insurance like most manufacturing jobs, white collar jobs which are on the decline either because they are outsourced abroad or here in the states, many of which become part time or do not offer insurance at all. Connect the dots, again.
I don't think it really works that way. I think all they share is the Euro, no policies, no taxes, no nothing but currency.
There are a few laws in place that govern all member states, however, for the most part, individual EU states are in complete control of their own countries, with Brussels not exacting any real authority over them. However, there have been plans to transform the EU into a Unitary government, which would in fact make the EU a country.
Switzerland once again has the highest living standard in the world!! It is also LIBERAL with National Healthcare!
SINGAPORE (Reuters Life!) – It pays to work in Switzerland: employees in Zurich and Geneva have the highest net wages in the world, a study by banking group UBS shows, while those in India's Mumbai take home the lowest.
The Swiss cities were also ranked among the top five most expensive in the world in the bank's 2009 "Price and Earnings" international study.
"With its extremely high gross wages and comparatively low tax rates, Switzerland is a very employee-friendly country," the Swiss bank said in a statement.
"No other cities allows workers to take home more income at the end of the month than Zurich and Geneva."
Want the world's best wages? Move to Switzerland - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090827/lf_nm_life/us_wages_study - broken link)
Yeah, but could Switzerland vote in a $787 billion stimulus bill, then spend 10% of it and have recovery well on the way? I don't think so and probably if they could they would give that money back to the people, the treasury, if they did and I am sure the Dems won't do that. They mean to spend every penny of that money some way.
There are a few laws in place that govern all member states, however, for the most part, individual EU states are in complete control of their own countries, with Brussels not exacting any real authority over them. However, there have been plans to transform the EU into a Unitary government, which would in fact make the EU a country.
once they are all under one govt. they will finally face the same challenges as the US.
Here is a statistic that you can believe in. Most jobs created are those that traditionally do not provide health insurance to its employment for one reason or another. Part time work, restaurants, construction, hotel workers, many services jobs. Those jobs on the decline are jobs that traditionally do provide insurance like most manufacturing jobs, white collar jobs which are on the decline either because they are outsourced abroad or here in the states, many of which become part time or do not offer insurance at all. Connect the dots, again.
So because the jobs that provide health insurance are on the decline, we can conclude that if we had UHC we would be a richer country?
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