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Old 09-06-2009, 06:08 AM
 
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Communism has never existed; Communism is an ideal that everyone is equal; Socialism is what has existed, leaders at the top living in luxury and power, the masses living in fear and poverty.
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Old 09-06-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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This country has been turned on its head because the sleeping giant that is most of America has woken up. We are saying with one voice, "Enough!"

- Reel
Reel what the hell does this mean???? I'm a small government libertarian and I have yet to encounter any of these "America Has woken up" people discussing anything remotely resembling limited government.

FACT MOST OF THE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENGAGES IN GOES TO ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS AND I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE OF THESE SLEEPING GIANTS ADDRESS THIS ISSUE!!!!!!


UNTIL THEY ADDRESS THE BENEFITS OF THEIR MOVEMENT TO YOUNGER INTELLIGENT SMALL GOVERNMENT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, I CONSIDER THEM TO BE THE LOWEST LEVEL CREATURES IN THE UNITED STATES WORSE THAN ANY COMMUNIST OR DICTATOR.

It is because of their ignorance i have started to question and actually look at the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS actual expenditures and surprisingly most of the wealth transfer currently does not benefit me, but it mostly benefits individuals over 60 years of age! (SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE/MEDICAID)- If they address these issues and honestly start to talk about them, then I'll take them seriously, but as far as i can tell and i don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, but it seems like (the majority of them not all) only goal is the ouster of President Obama (largely due to his race - again my opinion i have no empirical evidence, but the more they talk the more it is becoming apparent, they have no clue what limited government is or any want for anything remotely resembling it)

THE REAL REVOLUTION WILL BE STARTED BY YOUNGER LIBERTARIANS LIKE MYSELF THAT NOTICE THIS BIT OF EXTREME HYPOCRISY AND ARE GETTING EXTREMELY PISSED OFF. MARK MY WORDS THIS WILL SERVERY BACK FIRE IN THE OLD POPULATIONS FACE. ONCE YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS REALIZE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION IS REALLY TRULY ONLY PITTING YOUNGER WORKERS VS OLDER RETIRED WORKERS. WHEN THE TRUE SLEEPING GIANTS REALIZE THIS THE OLDER INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE HELL TO PAY AND YOUNGER PEOPLE LIKE ME WON"T GIVE TWO CRAPS IF YOU"RE OUT ON THE STREET BEGGING FOR FOOD.


"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Personally, this libertarian is not buying into their movement at all.

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Old 09-06-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: West, Southwest, East & Northeast
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Scumbag Van Jones resigns! Way to go Glenn Beck!

Scumbag Obama can't go down quick enough too...
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Old 09-06-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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Reel what the hell does this mean???? I'm a small government libertarian and I have yet to encounter any of these "America Has woken up" people discussing anything remotely resembling limited government.

FACT MOST OF THE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENGAGES IN GOES TO ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS AND I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE OF THESE SLEEPING GIANTS ADDRESS THIS ISSUE!!!!!!


UNTIL THEY ADDRESS THE BENEFITS OF THEIR MOVEMENT TO YOUNGER INTELLIGENT SMALL GOVERNMENT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, I CONSIDER THEM TO BE THE LOWEST LEVEL CREATURES IN THE UNITED STATES WORSE THAN ANY COMMUNIST OR DICTATOR.

It is because of their ignorance i have started to question and actually look at the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS actual expenditures and surprisingly most of the wealth transfer currently does not benefit me, but it mostly benefits individuals over 60 years of age! (SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE/MEDICAID)- If they address these issues and honestly start to talk about them, then I'll take them seriously, but as far as i can tell and i don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, but it seems like (the majority of them not all) only goal is the ouster of President Obama (largely due to his race - again my opinion i have no empirical evidence, but the more they talk the more it is becoming apparent, they have no clue what limited government is or any want for anything remotely resembling it)

THE REAL REVOLUTION WILL BE STARTED BY YOUNGER LIBERTARIANS LIKE MYSELF THAT NOTICE THIS BIT OF EXTREME HYPOCRISY AND ARE GETTING EXTREMELY PISSED OFF. MARK MY WORDS THIS WILL SERVERY BACK FIRE IN THE OLD POPULATIONS FACE. ONCE YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS REALIZE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION IS REALLY TRULY ONLY PITTING YOUNGER WORKERS VS OLDER RETIRED WORKERS. WHEN THE TRUE SLEEPING GIANTS REALIZE THIS THE OLDER INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE HELL TO PAY AND YOUNGER PEOPLE LIKE ME WON"T GIVE TWO CRAPS IF YOU"RE OUT ON THE STREET BEGGING FOR FOOD.


"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Personally, this libertarian is not buying into their movement at all.
Most of middle America is speaking up against the out of control spending and big government tendencies of both parties. If you are not seeing it you are sleeping.

- Reel
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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Reel what the hell does this mean???? I'm a small government libertarian and I have yet to encounter any of these "America Has woken up" people discussing anything remotely resembling limited government.

FACT MOST OF THE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENGAGES IN GOES TO ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS AND I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE OF THESE SLEEPING GIANTS ADDRESS THIS ISSUE!!!!!!


UNTIL THEY ADDRESS THE BENEFITS OF THEIR MOVEMENT TO YOUNGER INTELLIGENT SMALL GOVERNMENT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, I CONSIDER THEM TO BE THE LOWEST LEVEL CREATURES IN THE UNITED STATES WORSE THAN ANY COMMUNIST OR DICTATOR.

It is because of their ignorance i have started to question and actually look at the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS actual expenditures and surprisingly most of the wealth transfer currently does not benefit me, but it mostly benefits individuals over 60 years of age! (SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE/MEDICAID)- If they address these issues and honestly start to talk about them, then I'll take them seriously, but as far as i can tell and i don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, but it seems like (the majority of them not all) only goal is the ouster of President Obama (largely due to his race - again my opinion i have no empirical evidence, but the more they talk the more it is becoming apparent, they have no clue what limited government is or any want for anything remotely resembling it)

THE REAL REVOLUTION WILL BE STARTED BY YOUNGER LIBERTARIANS LIKE MYSELF THAT NOTICE THIS BIT OF EXTREME HYPOCRISY AND ARE GETTING EXTREMELY PISSED OFF. MARK MY WORDS THIS WILL SERVERY BACK FIRE IN THE OLD POPULATIONS FACE. ONCE YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS REALIZE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION IS REALLY TRULY ONLY PITTING YOUNGER WORKERS VS OLDER RETIRED WORKERS. WHEN THE TRUE SLEEPING GIANTS REALIZE THIS THE OLDER INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE HELL TO PAY AND YOUNGER PEOPLE LIKE ME WON"T GIVE TWO CRAPS IF YOU"RE OUT ON THE STREET BEGGING FOR FOOD.


"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Personally, this libertarian is not buying into their movement at all.
You do know that those programs are one that the "elderly" already contributed to, don't you?
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Ok, so let's say he is a communist with an agenda. How much damage can you do in 3.5 more years ?
The current administration is struggling to pass any bills. The czars have limited power and can only influence policy change. It's Congress who rubber stamps any changes to laws.
Not everything the president and his administration does, requires the approval of the congress. 0bama can appoint, fire and direct the actions of many people without needing the consent of congress or the people.
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:34 AM
 
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Anyone who thought Obama was not a radical is obviously sadly mistaken. Horowitz should be able to spot a communist with an agenda.
Quite true. As FDR said, "it takes a crook to catch a crook" (referring of course to Joe Kennedy).
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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Scumbag Van Jones resigns! Way to go Glenn Beck!

Scumbag Obama can't go down quick enough too...

That is probably why Obama was no nervous about his socialist friend in Honduras. Tyrants can be expelled- I wonder if he would to to Indonesia?
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:29 AM
 
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You do know that those programs are one that the "elderly" already contributed to, don't you?



Ringwise just basic common sense if these individuals had fully paid for the benefits they are receiving from these programs we wouldn't have the problems we are with the programs. They also wouldn't be called Social Programs and there would be no reason for government to run them.



"Most of middle America is speaking up against the out of control spending and big government tendencies of both parties. If you are not seeing it you are sleeping.

- Reel"



Yea Reel exactly the idiots miss the point completely, they are the reason for big government spending. Until these jack a%%es address that point in their bull crap movement, I'm going to call them out for what they really are (or at least what they seem to resemble). In fact i cannot wait until Sept 12, so we can see the amount of ignorance and unintelligent hypocritical debate these tiny bus riders praise as real American.

Personally they make me sick! I'm sure there are some libertarians that are going along with these people, but I highly doubt in 2012 if Ron Paul ran he would get elected. (which would prove my point, but lets have an honest debate the bulk of the individuals are racists, i do not have any empirical evidence to prove this other than what i have observed. I will bet 100 million dollars my point will be proven in 2012 should Ron Paul run again and not get elected.)

It just sickens me some (maybe most) of these individuals are using small government to hide behind their racism. You have democrats that were going to vote for Hillary because of her Universal Health plan, that have switched parties and are now calling Obama a Socialist? (Anyone can see through that bs and it is not something I'm willing to be a part of. Unlike some of our parents and grandparents.) It is fine to be a limited government person and get upset with the government spending, but when i see the bulk of the individuals are in their 50's and 60's, i cannot help but find it highly and extremely hypocritical. They're blaming the government for programs they refuse to give up and let go!!! If they had any real want for smaller government we'd start to see a reduction in the Social Security benefits paid out, they would have started to demand the removal of such a program, medicare would have been removed, crop subsidies, and the list goes on.

I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY OF THESE REQUEST FROM THE BULK OF THESE new small government people. I have only seen these request from the people that were already (independent) small government long before Obama got into office. They represent a very small portion of these newly found "sleeping giant."

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Old 09-07-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Reel what the hell does this mean???? I'm a small government libertarian and I have yet to encounter any of these "America Has woken up" people discussing anything remotely resembling limited government.

FACT MOST OF THE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENGAGES IN GOES TO ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS AND I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE OF THESE SLEEPING GIANTS ADDRESS THIS ISSUE!!!!!!


UNTIL THEY ADDRESS THE BENEFITS OF THEIR MOVEMENT TO YOUNGER INTELLIGENT SMALL GOVERNMENT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, I CONSIDER THEM TO BE THE LOWEST LEVEL CREATURES IN THE UNITED STATES WORSE THAN ANY COMMUNIST OR DICTATOR.

It is because of their ignorance i have started to question and actually look at the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS actual expenditures and surprisingly most of the wealth transfer currently does not benefit me, but it mostly benefits individuals over 60 years of age! (SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE/MEDICAID)- If they address these issues and honestly start to talk about them, then I'll take them seriously, but as far as i can tell and i don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, but it seems like (the majority of them not all) only goal is the ouster of President Obama (largely due to his race - again my opinion i have no empirical evidence, but the more they talk the more it is becoming apparent, they have no clue what limited government is or any want for anything remotely resembling it)

THE REAL REVOLUTION WILL BE STARTED BY YOUNGER LIBERTARIANS LIKE MYSELF THAT NOTICE THIS BIT OF EXTREME HYPOCRISY AND ARE GETTING EXTREMELY PISSED OFF. MARK MY WORDS THIS WILL SERVERY BACK FIRE IN THE OLD POPULATIONS FACE. ONCE YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS REALIZE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION IS REALLY TRULY ONLY PITTING YOUNGER WORKERS VS OLDER RETIRED WORKERS. WHEN THE TRUE SLEEPING GIANTS REALIZE THIS THE OLDER INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE HELL TO PAY AND YOUNGER PEOPLE LIKE ME WON"T GIVE TWO CRAPS IF YOU"RE OUT ON THE STREET BEGGING FOR FOOD.


"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Personally, this libertarian is not buying into their movement at all.

Don't believe this BS. Dorock99 is NOT a Libertarian. He doesn't even seem to understand basic Libertarian philosophy.
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