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Old 09-05-2009, 11:38 PM
 
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I dont remember which countries, I think it was UK or France. But i've heard some say that it has failed in other countries so why should the US adopt it?
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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Because those countries have 100% nationalized healthcare - that is NOT what's being proposed. What is being proposed right now is to keep independent insurance companies, basically require them to cover eveyrone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and include a reasonably priced "public option" for those who can't afford a private plan or don't have access to one.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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Because those countries have 100% nationalized healthcare - that is NOT what's being proposed. What is being proposed right now is to keep independent insurance companies, basically require them to cover eveyrone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and include a reasonably priced "public option" for those who can't afford a private plan or don't have access to one.
Well yeah, but can the insurance companies come up with tax money to pay for their losses caused by having to cover anybody and everybody? Only that public option can do that.

How long before only the public option is left standing because they have the wealth of the US behind them? I simply can't understand how some of you people can't see beyond the day this bill gets passed.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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Well yeah, but can the insurance companies come up with tax money to pay for their losses caused by having to cover anybody and everybody? Only that public option can do that.

How long before only the public option is left standing because they have the wealth of the US behind them? I simply can't understand how some of you people can't see beyond the day this bill gets passed.
give the ins cos some credit, lol.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I dont remember which countries, I think it was UK or France. But i've heard some say that it has failed in other countries so why should the US adopt it?
It is true that Great Britain went directly to GO right after the WW II ended. They just went socialized medicine and then when demand got strong enough allowed private companies to take part so people who could afford it could get better care. I have an Aussie friend who has never lived in anything but socialized medicine since they did it in the 40s also. However, he has enough money to take some out of pocket money for surgeries his family has to have although most couldn't afford them.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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give the ins cos some credit, lol.
Do you mean, give them some tax money to keep going?
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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Well yeah, but can the insurance companies come up with tax money to pay for their losses caused by having to cover anybody and everybody? Only that public option can do that.

How long before only the public option is left standing because they have the wealth of the US behind them? I simply can't understand how some of you people can't see beyond the day this bill gets passed.

Golly Roy go tell UPS and FedEx they don't exist.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Golly Roy go tell UPS and FedEx they don't exist.
Well golly, Jim, why don't you explain what UPS and FedEx have to do with health care. No don't bother since I know where you got that idea. It was from an Obama example of something, wasn't it?
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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I dont remember which countries, I think it was UK or France. But i've heard some say that it has failed in other countries so why should the US adopt it?
The argument is that they have 100% of the population insured, better outcomes for people who get sick, much higher infant survival rates than the US, cheaper medication, and they do it all for about 1/4 of what we spend on health care.
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