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But he's okay pouring blood and treasure into that rathole in Afghanistan.
Go figure.
Afghanistan is a payment being made for huge mistakes since Reagan. And we were already there, having stirred up the ant colonies (then forgetting they existed).
While I would like Afghanistan to be handled differently than we're (which is more of the same of what we saw between 9/11 and invasion of Iraq), I can see why we're still in the rat hole.
It was a mistake to go declaring wars, and it would be sensible to get out of there but responsibly. Decades of political interference in the Hindukush region has left it extremely unstable.
Iran (the subject of this thread, BTW) is a whole other story. One, we probably wouldn't be talking about today if not for another set of horrible political decisions made a few decades ago.
Luckily, "we" don't have to do anything. Israel will happily bomb the crap out of Iran without our help...and soon too. Now if the whole region then turns around and goes after Israel THEN we will have some serious decisions facing us.
I would recommend putting on the Libertarian hat, get out of the middle east and put on some popcorn.
what I find "interesting" is that there was a certain party of people that when Bush was saying that Iran was trying to get nukes, said he lies....now that President Obama has said the same things, will that 'group' at least say Bush was correct?????
No, there will be a double standard. Most of the same liberals who criticized Bush and his war against Iraq wil be silent if we go to war against Iran or anyone else. Much of the anti-war movement actually didn't so much care about war they were just anti-Bush and used the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to rage. There is a website antiwar.com that makes this point often. Because (most) of the anti-war sentiment under Bush wasn't sincere, Obama could much easier get us into a deeper war because the media adores him and will not criticize any move he makes. He could also start a military draft because young people love him and will agree with everything he does. There never could have been a draft under Bush.
With all that being said I will admit that Iran is likely more of a threat than Iraq ever was.
So if it comes to it, we are just going to have to live with Iran having nukes. Of course if they should ever decide to use them, they will be destroyed in about 20 minutes.
So you say let's accept the fanatics having nukes, and if there's a nuclear war, so be it.
The crazies just tested their nuke capable long range missiles yesterday. They announced they can hit Eastern Europe, and they intend to keep expanding the range.
I think you would quickly change your attitude if your home came within their range.
what I find "interesting" is that there was a certain party of people that when Bush was saying that Iran was trying to get nukes, said he lies....now that President Obama has said the same things, will that 'group' at least say Bush was correct?????
How did Iran manage to get millions in tax dollar money with Bush in office that went towards construction of Bushehr? Are you aware of that little fact?
We would then settle in for decades of Palestinian style guerilla attacks across a DMZ of some sort, as the Iranians try to oust the invaders from "their" soil.....assuming all of this could be accomplished beforethey get a nuclear weapon.
I agree with everything you said except this. Why would we need to settle there and accept guerilla-like attacks. You send your message and you leave. Those initial bombings would delay their program and set them back for at least one or two decades. We don't need to occupy their country. The Arabic world would obviously not favor us bombing one of their countries but that is certain more tolerable to them than occupying their country.
We have no reason, except continued war profiteering, to go to any form of war with Iran. There is no profit for us in this action.
If we start a naval action in the Persian Gulf our Navy will get slaughtered by Iranian sea skimming missiles. The Persian Gulf simply does not leave our ships any maneuvering room. We would be sitting ducks.
Maybe the loss of our naval forces would be the causes belli for a devastating conflict. Lots of losses and lots of profit rebuilding the navy, I can see this happening.
Problem is conservatives (and most who favor attacking Iran) think only one step ahead.
So, the US should bomb Teheran? I guess that when the first bomb explodes the rest of the world will just look the other way and pretend nothing is happening? This makes dropping more bombs very easy. And all of Iran can be bombed without any consequences for the US. Is that the way it will happen?
We only have ~80-100K troops in Iraq anymore. ~50K in Afghanistan. ~35K in SKorea and ~50K in Japan and ~50K across Europe.
As you can see, we have plenty of manpower left undeployed and plenty strength for another front. And our Air Force is just sitting idle; we could easy conduct another Bosnian style air campaign to cripple Iranian infrastructure, then decapitate the leadership to institute regime change and then give the country over to the Green Movement. Just saying, it's very doable and the country is literally dying for new leadership.
The problem is the witherall of our president, he does not have the backbone to lead or fight a war. World leaders know this. Talking and sanctions hasn't changed a thing with Cuba or N.Korea. They will not change things with Iran. Iran will have the bomb. Obama will not start a war, dont you worry... Unless the aspect of Iran obtaining nuclear arms is unsettling.
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