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Source: Record of global average temperatures as compiled by the NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
LOL! Keep saying it. maybe if you say it enough times, shear force of will, will make it true!
WRONG.
You wanna discuss heat island effect that is recorded in those numbers? Do you want to discuss how NOAA has cut out over a thousand data collecting stations in the last 20 years, including ALL of the ones stationed in non-urban settings?
we can do that.
Do you want to discuss how NOAA's most recent set of data removes Satalite data and only uses urban collecting stations?
That graph has errors.
But beyond that, that graph only records a hundred and fifty years. did you purposely leave out the MWP and the LIA?
put those back in your graph and you see that the modern warming is not unusual at all.
How about we discuss how the Inca were growing Corn at altitudes ovee 3000 meters 700 years ago during the MWP? Oh yea we dont want to do that because the MWP was just a regional event in Europe... NOT a global even the could have effected what we now call Peru...
More fun reading. This is actual testamoney before the Senate UNDER OATH given by Dr. David DEming PhD. Geophysics
Please note the second paragraph:
I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change. He said, "We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period."
They better pass their carbon cap & tax bill before more people wise up to this global warming farce.
This man-made global warming is a complete scam.
This scam has brought together many unlikely partners.
The corporate greed heads see a way to get rich selling green energy to the public while getting free subsidizes from government.
The politicians gain power and control over the people with laws to govern every aspect of their lives. Like the threat of taking away the social security benefits of the elderly, they use the lies of man-induced global warming to beat their political opponents over the head with. They work in cahoots with the corporations by funneling free subsidizes their way, in exchange for campaign contributions, and support thru their many corporate allies, such as multinational conglomerates like GE, which brings with it NBC radio, TV, GE Energy and its GE Healthcare division.
The environmentalists get to expand their control over the lives of people thru influencing government on legislation, and they finally get to stick it to oil, gas and coal.
The science communities get to hold down a steady paycheck, paid for with large government grants, as long as they do their part in scaring the public with tales of catastrophic doom and gloom and creating the epicycles of man-made global warming, which keeps the whole scam alive and well.
Yup, because of global warming people here in Wisconsin are complaining on the "Garden Talk" shows of WPR, that they can't grow much of anything because of the cool weather and short growing period.
right up to the time sodom and gomorra were leveled they were laughing mocking and jeering.
fat arrogant and confident. i honestly dont know if they wore all black and slicked their hair back like rush limbaugh.
LOL! Keep saying it. maybe if you say it enough times, shear force of will, will make it true!
WRONG.
You wanna discuss heat island effect that is recorded in those numbers? Do you want to discuss how NOAA has cut out over a thousand data collecting stations in the last 20 years, including ALL of the ones stationed in non-urban settings?
we can do that.
Do you want to discuss how NOAA's most recent set of data removes Satalite data and only uses urban collecting stations?
That graph has errors.
But beyond that, that graph only records a hundred and fifty years. did you purposely leave out the MWP and the LIA?
put those back in your graph and you see that the modern warming is not unusual at all.
How about we discuss how the Inca were growing Corn at altitudes ovee 3000 meters 700 years ago during the MWP? Oh yea we dont want to do that because the MWP was just a regional event in Europe... NOT a global even the could have effected what we now call Peru...
please.
LOL NASA has the most robust and comprehensive data set of historical temperatures in the world. It is the gold standard and accepted by all researchers, even critics like Lindzen. Keep shoveling the manure and denial.
IF and I say IF you are even close to truth, nothing you said here, debunks anything I have said.
In fact, IF and it is a big IF, you are correct, then what you describe is a self-correcting system and it proves that warming causing cooling will create equilibrium.
Thus disproving the AGW theory!
It is not self correcting. When there is no more ice to melt, the water will all heat up.
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It is true that recently (2007) the arctic cap is melting. However it is also true that we don’t know if it is an insane rate or not. We don’t know what happened in the Midlevel Warming Period... that was warmer than today by the way and also lasted several hundred years….
Are you kidding me? The ice caps melting has been measured. There are polar bears swimming right now, in areas that were under 10 feet of ice 5 years ago. Ice that has been solid for 3000 years is cracking apart and falling in to the sea. Scientist have actually measured this.
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At the same time, the Antarctic is gaining ice as a very solid rate. So you cannot suggest that the melting in the North has a larger impact than the freezing in the south.
Antartica has contributed some of largest melts observed on the western ice sheet.
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Your little experiment isn’t ground breaking. And it doesn’t prove a blessed thing.
Youre right, its not groundbreaking. Its an elementary experiement that the blithering idiots on the right wing cant understand.
By the way, it proves that when water temperature is changed, it changes the air temperature. That is just the elementary basics of it. It also can change wind speed, salinity content, ocean currents, etc.
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Now if you want to talk about science lets talk about sun spots and deep space radiation and the effect on evaporation rates and cloud cover and cooling.
Or if you like we can get into physics and talk about where CO2 falls on the heat absorption scale and how it is overlapped by water vapor. We can discuss the percentage of that heat absorption CO2 covers verses Water Vapor.
You might want to read up on the physics cuz you will not be pleased as the discussion progresses…. Water Vapor makes of something like 99% of the total green house effect or more. It overlaps CO2 on the heat absorption spectrum and CO2 makes up less than 350 part per MILLION.
You want a science lesson? Go check out the atmosphere of Venus. Venus is a black and white example of greenhouse gas caused warming. The surface temperature is almost 500 F. You go ahead and keep pumping CO2 in to the atmosphere wholesale and think its not doing anything.
LOL NASA has the most robust and comprehensive data set of historical temperatures in the world. It is the gold standard and accepted by all researchers, even critics like Lindzen. Keep shoveling the manure and denial.
if you are including NASA satalite data then we dont disagree.... NOAA has baaad info.... but that is what gets picked up.
you still show a graph that does NOT reflect historical data that proves the current trend is no really out of keeping with the historic record.
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