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Old 10-20-2009, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Nazis, like all forms of government hegemony, are leftists. Chomsky is speaking of himself, especially when he's caught with his pro-government jackboot rantings.


YouTube - Chomsky interview with Michael Dranove: On the Ron Paul Libertarians (6/6)
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Noam who ...?
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Nazis, like all forms of government hegemony, are leftists.
Yeah, leftists hate communism, hate trade unions, are oligarchs, and use majority religion and race as a polarizing tool.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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I read Chomsky's comments, and I think they are being misinterpreted. Chomsky isn't comparing right-wing commentators to Nazi propagandists. Chomsky is pointing out that in the 1920's the Nazi propagandists took advantage of the political situation in Germany at the time. Rather than helping people understand the economic and social forces at work, they encouraged people to not think about it, but to blame the Jews and the rest of the world for problems. Chomsky sees that as a short-cut that led to the devastating tragedies of World War II. He's not suggesting that our right-wing commentators are Nazis, nor is he suggesting that they are spreading Nazi-like propaganda. But he does see many media personalities who, instead of trying to make sense of the political, economic and social realities that we need to deal with today, are engaged in blame games. I think all he's doing is pointing out that blaming people for our misfortunes is not a constructive way to deal with misfortune. It wasn't constructive for Nazi Germany, and it's not constructive for today's United States. It's easy, it's attractive, because when we ascribe blame to someone else, we also assign responsibility to that someone else, so we expect them to fix it. But no one else is going to come in and fix our problems. So affixing blame is a dead-end. I think that Chomsky is just saying that we should be wary of providing so much attention and resources to what is, basically, a dead-end. And he does say, quite explicitly, that he himself is wary of over-drawing the comparison.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:14 AM
 
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Yeah, leftists hate communism, hate trade unions, are oligarchs, and use majority religion and race as a polarizing tool.
Leftists are categorized by the desire of a large and controlling government, regardless of the government's proposed ideology. Nazis are leftists, as are communists, monarchies, fascism, theocracies, etc. Trade unions are only permitted under socialism and marxist during the destabilization phase. After government has assumed control, these trade unions are either assimilated into the circle of commissars and bureaucrats or physically executed.

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YouTube - Republic vs Democracy
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:32 AM
 
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Leftists are categorized by the desire of a large and controlling government, regardless of the government's proposed ideology. Nazis are leftists, as are communists, monarchies, fascism, theocracies, etc. Trade unions are only permitted under socialism and marxist during the destabilization phase. After government has assumed control, these trade unions are either assimilated into the circle of commissars and bureaucrats or physically executed.

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YouTube - Republic vs Democracy
Thanks for explaining your version of political science. Bear in mind, that youtube is not an authority on political science, and that your information sources may have an agenda. If that is so, the perspectives you are repeating are merely propaganda, which you are involved in spreading, and not real information, not real political science, not a real understanding of political ideologies.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Thanks for explaining your version of political science. Bear in mind, that youtube is not an authority on political science, and that your information sources may have an agenda. If that is so, the perspectives you are repeating are merely propaganda, which you are involved in spreading, and not real information, not real political science, not a real understanding of political ideologies.
You're very welcome. Political science is a touchy feely form of study, so pretty much anything coming from the academic circle in this concentration is lent a very large grain of salt. People who define fascism, as the video states, cannot define what makes a fascist "right wing" vs a communist "left wing". The definition as described in the video makes much more sense because it creates a level of consistency in the political spectrum.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:39 AM
 
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Leftists are categorized by the desire of a large and controlling government, regardless of the government's proposed ideology. Nazis are leftists, as are communists, monarchies, fascism, theocracies, etc. Trade unions are only permitted under socialism and marxist during the destabilization phase. After government has assumed control, these trade unions are either assimilated into the circle of commissars and bureaucrats or physically executed.
Any extreme position, left or right, is driven by the desire to control EVERYTHING. But, somehow, your belief is that this exists only in an extreme left world. And as a result, you do a fine job putting all in one basket. Tells quite a bit about your understanding of the whole picture.

Take trade unions for example. You say they are hated institution when someone takes an extreme position. Are you completely unaware of the right wingers take on trade unions in America TODAY?
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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Any extreme position, left or right, is driven by the desire to control EVERYTHING. But, somehow, your belief is that this exists only in an extreme left world. And as a result, you do a fine job putting all in one basket. Tells quite a bit about your understanding of the whole picture.

Take trade unions for example. You say they are hated institution when someone takes an extreme position. Are you completely unaware of the right wingers take on trade unions in America TODAY?
Right wingers are not opposed to trade unions, as long as they do not have a say in dictating governmental policy. You are using the terminology left vs. right in a confusing manner, because it presents inconsistencies. Right wingers do not believe in restricting gay marriage. Rather, it is a leftist ideology. Leftist also does not equate to liberalism, especially classical liberalism. Classical liberalism is actually a right winged ideology, allowing for individual freedom to usurp governmental control of one's actions. Putting "all in one basket" create a much more consistent picture and eliminates confusion about what is "left" and "right". Anarchy, for example, is right wing extremism. Yet, political scientists cannot take a consistent position on whether it is in fact left or right wing.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Does anyone hate this country as much as Noam Chomsky?
Nope. At least no one who proclaims it as much.
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