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Political Party! Now there's an oxymoron for you. Fear of crossing party lines, duality(? vs ?), backbiting, Brand names for people, hatred and distrust of those with a different Brand name, etc. Doesn't sound like any party I've been to. Personally, I don't lend much credence to Brand names. I'm more about the person, or the issue at hand. But, if people insist on branding each other, I would at least like to pick out my own Brand name. After all I know what Brand I am better than any anonymous internet poster. I don't fit the current popular, or unpopular, political Brands, so I have come up with one of my own creation. It is an amalgam of ideals I find worthy. I am now a VAP.
V for Voltairean:
Define Voltairean you say. Sometimes people have a different take on the defintions of concepts.
A Voltairean is,..."a man who prefers to see clearly in all matters; in religion and in philosophy, he believes willingly only what he understands, and he admits that there are things he does not know; he values application above speculation, simplifies ethics as well as doctrine, and tries to direct it toward useful virtues; he likes a moderate political system that preserves natural liberty, the liberty of conscience, of speech and of the individual, reduces evil as much as possible, procures the greatest good, and places justice among the highest benefits; in the arts, he admires above all moderation and truth; he has a deadly hatred for hypocrisy, fanaticism and bad taste; he does not limit himself to detesting them, he fights them to the death."
Something to aspire to. Voltaire sounds like a righteous dude!
A for American:
That one's self-explanatory. It's where I'm from. But, the real beauty of my Brand(VAP), is that it can be adapted to fit people from all countries, or planets. Not just stateside, but worldwide. From Canada? VCP! From Morocco? VMP! From Sudan? VSP! From Remulak? VRP! From Ork? VOP! And on...
P for Patriot:
This Wiki definition works for me.
Patriot-"During the 18th century Age of Enlightenment, the notion of patriotism continued to be separate from the notion of nationalism. Instead, patriotism was defined as devotion to humanity and beneficence.[2] For example, providing charity, criticizing slavery, and denouncing excessive penal laws were all considered patriotic.[2] In both ancient and modern visions of patriotism, individual responsibility to fellow citizens is an inherent component of patriotism."
So, there you have the VAP credo. All that is left is a theme song. This was attempted in the past, but didn't quite get off the ground. Remember Janet Reno's Dance Party? My Sharona? Well, forget all that. The world is under great stress. We need some relief. My Sharona isn't going to cut it. We need to, "Tear the Roof Off."
Let's put the "PARTY" back in Political Party. VAPs unite!
From the Saucywench-a VAP to the AMACEB!
I will be very interested to hear opinions on whether this Brand of Political Party will work, or not. What obstacles or problems would prevent this type of system from working?
Thanks for the input! The Socialism trend scares me. I've read too many books where smart men have condemned Socialism, and strongly warned against it. It is definitely the time for some new parties!
Take your own advice, Voltaire, and learn before judging. True socialists laugh at the suggestion Obama's a socialist. Using government to help through a crisis is far from what socialism is, and is being used by every nation in the world to get through this global crisis.
However, labeling the opposition something evil-sounding like "socialist" is an easy way to win political points from those who don't do a lot of independent thinking. You get double-bonus points for including the words "Hitler" or "Mao".
Best to you in your new party! Hopefully it will be more open-minded than this thread.
I never said Obama was a Socialist. But, yes any Socialist trends concern me. Voltaire's ideals are something to aspire to, I did not claim I can follow them to the letter. After all, I am just a flawed human being like you, and everyone else. Also, I did not compare Pres. Obama or Socialists to Hitler ot Mao. You did! And, I am very open-minded to new ideas and a new course for this country. Pres. Obama has been a class act so far, and his concerns are important: jobs, health care, education for all Americans. I wish him the very best of luck! Why wouldn't I, I'm an American. On the otherhand, I don't want the government making all my decisions for me. Thanks for your input! Saucywench(not Voltaire)
Take your own advice, Voltaire, and learn before judging. True socialists laugh at the suggestion Obama's a socialist. Using government to help through a crisis is far from what socialism is, and is being used by every nation in the world to get through this global crisis.
However, labeling the opposition something evil-sounding like "socialist" is an easy way to win political points from those who don't do a lot of independent thinking. You get double-bonus points for including the words "Hitler" or "Mao".
Best to you in your new party! Hopefully it will be more open-minded than this thread.
1. This hit-job video means nothing. If you would take your blinders off and look at the context, Obama was saying that in his younger days, with a major cultural identity crisis, he didn't want to be seen as a black sellout, so he chose friends that were more progressive. So what? He was making reference to his insecure youth.
2. Seriously, you're Joe the Plumbering me? What a joke that guy turned out to be, and, as Colin Powell said when he endorsed Obama, all taxation spreads the wealth around. It's simply a question of whether we spread it to the middle class or the upper class. That's the fundamental difference between the parties.
3. I didn't see anywhere in that video that Obama said he is a socialist. A progressive tax system is simply one that skews a greater tax burden on higher income brackets. That's not socialism, that's simply Democratic policy and it's been around for a looooonnnnnggg time. I don't agree with it, personally, but since all taxation is a redistribution of wealth, your conservative corporations, anti-abortion organizations, and government contractors that make a pretty dime off our taxes are socialist by your logic because some aspect of the wealth we generate is redistributed to them.
So, in short, you're assertion is incorrect and it would be helpful for our nation if you people would educate yourselves before spreading further inaccuracies about your president.
Your words Bluefly-Take your own advice, Voltaire, and learn before judging.
This works both ways Bluefly.
You said-However, labeling the opposition something evil-sounding like "socialist" is an easy way to win political points from those who don't do a lot of independent thinking.
I never said Pres. Obama was a Socialist. I mentioned that socialist trends concern me.
You get double-bonus points for including the words "Hitler" or "Mao".
I never mentioned them. You did! Same with evil-sounding socialists. Again, these were all your words and thoughts. Not mine. Please don't put words in my mouth.
You said-Best to you in your new party! Hopefully it will be more open-minded than this thread.
Please let everyone else here speak and think for themselves. Let the others decide if this thread and my first post have merit.
It's pretty bold to speak for an entire group of people, all the true socialists that is. As my uncle would say, "Who died and left you boss?"
Signed, just another voice!
Last edited by saucywench; 10-30-2009 at 05:47 PM..
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VAPs unite!
