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Old 11-06-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Why would it be a prime spot to monitor? Because of the type of neighborhood? Wouldn't that be racial profiling and so against the rules? They would have to monitor a white suburban school just as much or they should not monitor at all. Or would you?
Not sure why patrolling the areas around a school dance that are dark (where kids could sneak off and smoke, drink, what have you) would be considered racial profiling? That seems like common sense no matter where the school, urban, suburban or otherwise, and regardless of the student population demographics. School events at my suburban high school were always heavily monitored, particularly in areas where students weren't "supposed" to be.

I'm curious why you automatically assumed I meant something to do with race or neighborhood rather than common sense security measures at ANY school's dance??
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I don't see what racial profiling has to do with anything.

My high school was in a nice area and our chaperones patrolled the grounds regularly; they also monitored the parked campus parking lots. We called our security guards "resource officers" but it was the same thing.

It's just a safety precaution. All schools should have safety precautions regardless of the racial makeup of the students or the neighborhood.
Exactly the point I thought I had made
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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Not sure why patrolling the areas around a school dance that are dark (where kids could sneak off and smoke, drink, what have you) would be considered racial profiling? That seems like common sense no matter where the school, urban, suburban or otherwise, and regardless of the student population demographics. School events at my suburban high school were always heavily monitored, particularly in areas where students weren't "supposed" to be.

I'm curious why you automatically assumed I meant something to do with race or neighborhood rather than common sense security measures at ANY school's dance??
There aren't the same security measures taken at many schools. This is all after the fact -- Monday morning quarterbacking. If someone would have had the rapists arrested for hanging outside the building BEFORE the rape, you can bet certain groups would be filing lawsuits claiming the boys' rights were infringed or that they were profiled.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:28 AM
 
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There aren't the same secrity measures taken at many schools. This is all after the fact -- Monday morning quarterbacking. If someone would have had the rapists arrested for hanging outside the building BEFORE the rape, you can bet certain groups would be filing lawsuits claiming the boys' rights were infringed or that they were profiled.
my point exactly
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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There aren't the same security measures taken at many schools. This is all after the fact -- Monday morning quarterbacking. If someone would have had the rapists arrested for hanging outside the building BEFORE the rape, you can bet certain groups would be filing lawsuits claiming the boys' rights were infringed or that they were profiled.
Why would they have been arrested? Most likely they would have been asked to either go back inside the dance or leave the campus.

What group would defend a 21 year old man hanging around a high school campus after he's been asked to leave by security?
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Why would it be a prime spot to monitor? Because of the type of neighborhood? Wouldn't that be racial profiling and so against the rules? They would have to monitor a white suburban school just as much or they should not monitor at all. Or would you?
Richmond is an area known for crime. Regardless of what the city's demographics is, the school should not have let down their guard of patrolling the area.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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There aren't the same security measures taken at many schools. This is all after the fact -- Monday morning quarterbacking. If someone would have had the rapists arrested for hanging outside the building BEFORE the rape, you can bet certain groups would be filing lawsuits claiming the boys' rights were infringed or that they were profiled.
Why would someone be arrested for hanging around outside a building? Asked to leave the property, sure. Arrested? Profiled? I guess I just don't fully see where you're coming from. At least when I was in school, you couldn't just hang out unsupervised on school grounds, whether a student or not. No one needs to be arrested to disperse a group, right?

And of course, it's all Monday morning quarterbacking. It's called talking about things that can be done differently in the future in other places to decrease the likelihood of this happening again in the future.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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I guess I just don't fully see where you're coming from. At least when I was in school, you couldn't just hang out unsupervised on school grounds, whether a student or not. No one needs to be arrested to disperse a group, right?
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Maybe that's why I don't get it either because my high school had the same policy.
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Just curious, but what is your opinion about military service, conscription or non-conscription, as for your position?

I am curious about same with Chatteress and solytaire.

More simply, would you join a gang that interferes with other nations' problems?
While past history would show that that is what happens, it's not the intent of the military. The military should only act in terms of defense, and not be on the offensive, or satisfy the government's (not the people's) geopolitical goals. I don't believe that forcing anyone into the military is a good idea--it should be a choice you willingly take. But--it's really none of my business, so I try not to think about it much.

My business is--my life, in the present tense. What's happening to ME. Acting in my own self-interest. I could care less about the next guy--unless it impacts MY life somehow.
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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To add to the thread: "loitering" is considered a crime too.

I believe that our school said something to the effect of three people grouped together is considered a "riot".
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