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I'm guessing this will be the first of many "other" bashing comments that will eventually lead to the thread being shut down - anyone want to bet against me?
Let your imagination run wild or tune into the Maury Povich show when they do the DNA test on potential father #23.
Let your imagination run wild or tune into the Maury Povich show when they do the DNA test on potential father #23.
Okay so how bout you answer the question...who are "the others"
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Originally Posted by Boompa
Ouch, someone has a problem with anyone who isn't white.
and is too scared to admit it. You know it'd be so refreshing if they would just come out and say what they mean the first time around instead of hinting at it. I mean really...what are you afraid of? We're online
LOL I have a handful of poor non-black friends who went to an HBCU on a minority scholarship. I don't know why people always feel the need to attack black people when it comes to AA.
When I started my current job, the people in the position I have now weren't friendly to me - not rude but just not friendly. Then after they got to know me; they warmed up and got so comfortable that they’d make comments about my other black coworkers in front of me. "Oh the meeting starts at 12 but you know she runs on CP time so she'll prob show up at 12:15" and every time they'd do it someone would be quick to say "but not you - you're different". I don’t know how many times they’ve come to me blown away by the fact that I’m capable of speaking in complete sentences. Then when I got promoted they became not friendly again; because I didn’t deserve to be promoted; I hadn’t been here long enough – even though just last week you were talking about what an asset I am and what a good job I’m doing now I only got promoted because I’m black and they needed to fill a number...
so...first you assumed I was going to be a lazy, always late, angry black woman with no professionalism or job skills at all....then when you saw my work ethic you declared I was different and now worthy of your companionship...now that I do the exact same thing you're doing (and doing it so much better) it's not because I'm good at my job but because I'm black and they had a quota to fill....right.
can't win for losing.
That sounds like a very bizarre working enviornment. Let me get this straight...
You start a job and the people there just assume, without knowing athingabout you, that you will be "just like" another (lazy/tardy/angy/unprofessional) coworker - simply because you and that particular coworker are both black. But after a while they grow to admire your ability and work ethic, often praising you for your professionalism while simultaneously expressing their jaw-dropping-amazement that you are so different from that "other person"...
Now these same coworkers resent the heck out of you because you got a promotion that (you suspect) they don't feel you really earned - not enough time on the job/AA/Whatever - even though you are clearly competent (they've said so themselves) and can do the job "so much better" than they do it?
Isn't it also possible that it simply took a little while for some of your more reserved coworkers to warm up to you? And that once they did work with you for a while, they came to respect your ability, work ethic and came to view you as a team player. Maybe your boss noticed all of this about your performance and decided that a promotion was in order.
And now some of your coworkers feel a little bit jealous because the whole promotion process took a bit longer (maybe years longer) for them than it did for you?
Isn't it also possible that it simply took a little while for some of your more reserved coworkers to warm up to you? And that once they did work with you for a while, they came to respect your ability, work ethic and came to view you as a team player. Maybe your boss noticed all of this about your performance and decided that a promotion was in order.
And now some of your coworkers feel a little bit jealous because the whole promotion process took a bit longer (maybe years longer) for them than it did for you?
Sure it's possible but if that were truly the case it shouldn't matter if I was black, white, yellow or neon green. And I'm not suspecting I've actually heard them say it under their breaths; which aggravates me to no end because I can't stand the little playground antics but oh well. All I can do is keep doing my job and get promoted again so they'll really have something to ***** about.
When you first enter an environment you get hit with stereotypes, then when you don't conform to those stereotypes instead of people admitting they were wrong they deem you as "not like ALL the other black people" but then once you get promoted it wasn't because you earned it or deserved it - it's simply because you're black and the world feels they owe you something.
I've dealt with it in school, work, extracurricular activities.
I remember when I was in the Symphonic band and was given a solo another student claimed it was "because I was black" and the band director wanted to look good. I guess the fact that I'd been sitting three chairs ahead of her all year had nothing to do with it
I've learned the best way to deal with it is to act really stupid because the person will never admit what they're thinking.
When someone praises me on how well I talk I give them a confused face and say "What do you mean" and then they say "oh well you know you sound so X,Y,Z" and I say "well how did you expect me to sound"
I don't want white women, nor black males, nor black/white pregnant women, nor ANYONE AT ALL having a preferential law in their favor.
So yes, please repeal them. It is up to the private business to decide who they hire or fire no matter what their reasoning, get the big brother out of the way. They have no right in their doors.
Do you also believe in equal pay for all based on performance and not gender?
Casper
I am "black" and I am against AA. Merit based hiring should be the only hiring, imo.
THAT SAID, i feel it's necessary, because it allows those who were underrepresented and discriminated against but qualified for various positions to get the jobs they deserve. Not just black people either. Anyone who wasn't a white male, essentially.
To those who say that people should be hired and promoted based strictly on merit. How exactly do you make that happen? Most people here would agree with this but the real world is a little more complicated because of race and gender related attitudes and perceptions that still exist in the workplace. What's the alternative to affirmative action?
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NEW YORK - An African American accountant was stunned when a white senior partner at a [then] Big Six accounting firm said that minorities at the firm should take a remedial accounting course upon arrival, according to a study co-authored by a Fordham University professor. Experiences like this one are common for black accountants who say they feel their employers unfairly question their abilities, pass them over for raises and promotions, and make them feel isolated because of their race, according to Professor Patricia A. Williams.
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