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For all the people on this thread who want to argue that the government should stay out of marriage, let me remind you that around the world where gay marriage IS legal, it is BECAUSE of government intervention that homosexuals are allowed to marry.
It is not because a vote by the people has ever affirmed it.
What you are witnessing in the United States is the will of the people being elevated above the will of the government and that's the way we do things in the United States.
The people have once again spoken.
All around the world where interracial marriage is legal is also because the government stepped in. Where have you been? The SCOTUS itself stepped in and made interracial marriage legal, it was not up to a vote of the majority. Marriage is indeed a right, Loving vs Virginia determined that. And for all of people that keep saying to accept civil unions or domestic partnerships, if that is the case, why are you trying to strip us of those to? You all are just selfish pigs who do not know the value of the 1049 rights you take advantage of and abuse with your repeated divorces. Obviously you cannot get marriage right yourself, since the divorce rate is rapidly approaching the 60% mark. Do you understand that? Nearly six out of ten marriages fail. So much for the sanctity of marriage, you heterosexuals yourselves have made a joke of marriage. If you are going to "let" us have civil unions and domestic partnerships, at least be fair and humane and not steal them back. The LGBTQ people should have to pay less in taxes since we are being treated like second class citizens with a different set of rights.
And will most likely be the reason why Republicans will gain seats in Congress next year.
You think that Michelle Obama's comment from last summer is the likely reason why Republicans will gain seats in Congress next year? Man, that's a special brand of optimism you've got!
All around the world where interracial marriage is legal is also because the government stepped in. Where have you been? The SCOTUS itself stepped in and made interracial marriage legal, it was not up to a vote of the majority. Marriage is indeed a right, Loving vs Virginia determined that. And for all of people that keep saying to accept civil unions or domestic partnerships, if that is the case, why are you trying to strip us of those to? You all are just selfish pigs who do not know the value of the 1049 rights you take advantage of and abuse with your repeated divorces. Obviously you cannot get marriage right yourself, since the divorce rate is rapidly approaching the 60% mark. Do you understand that? Nearly six out of ten marriages fail. So much for the sanctity of marriage, you heterosexuals yourselves have made a joke of marriage. If you are going to "let" us have civil unions and domestic partnerships, at least be fair and humane and not steal them back. The LGBTQ people should have to pay less in taxes since we are being treated like second class citizens with a different set of rights.
And this is the reason people do not want to see marriage disintegrate any further. Yes, it is bad with all the divorces but you think gays would never divorce?
As for interracial marriages that is apples and oranges. Those marriages are between a man and a woman.
If you want to get into paying less taxes for not having as many rights I think most all of us can come up with a reason our taxes should be lowered because we don't have as many rights as others in some way. That has been tried before and never flew.
Not necessarily. In my state, a civil union is the same as marriage. Stroke of a pen.
Really? It gives them all the rights that straight married people get? We want and deserve the federal rights too, not just a few paltry state rights that you will allow us to have.
Really? It gives them all the rights that straight married people get? We want and deserve the federal rights too, not just a few paltry state rights that you will allow us to have.
You will concede, however, that DOMA is the issue in that situation, right? When it comes to federal benefits, it doesn't matter if a state calls same-sex unions civil unions or marriage, they're still locked out from having federal benefits.
Of course, I don't expect the anti-gay crowd to have thought it through that far, but you and I can have an intelligent conversation without them.
You are missing the point. Many say that gays should not marry because of the religious issues so I will ask again if you had to choose which would you want her to do?
I am not asking what you would LIKE her to do I am asking if you had to choose from these two options only.
Maybe a better one would be; Would one rather their daughter, if she were a lesbian, marry a man, live a lie and never be happy, or be with the woman she loves? My older brother, who is also gay, chose to live a lie, get married, twice and divorced twice and now he is miserable and unhappy, he hates himself and his life and blames it on believing he would go to Hell if he admitted to being gay. I on the other hand did not choose to live a life of dishonesty, have been with the same man for over 30 years and the only thing that makes me unhappy right now is being denied the rights I deserve as a US citizen.
He denounced it because being gay was like being a criminal back in those days. It was a criminal act. You could be punished with jail time. It was also a mental illness at that time. Why would you screech out "Look at me. I'm gay" like everyone does these days. Look at Ellen, and Rosie the gayest women on earth haha.
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Liberace denied his homosexuality to the very end of his life. He was hardly "open" about it. Liberace sued the Daily Mirror for libel in 1956, testifying in a London court that he was not a homosexual, and had never taken part in homosexual acts. He won the suit, partly on the basis of the term fruit-flavored, which was held to impute homosexuality.
Ellen and Rosie have also broken up with their partners. If married they would need to go through a divorce. Maybe they can save some of their fortune for not being married.
Ellen and Rosie have also broken up with their partners. If married they would need to go through a divorce. Maybe they can save some of their fortune for not being married.
Ellen's ex didn't get squat.
No,no,no, gay couples never split up. --SARC
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