Is Health a right or a privilege?

[geeoro]

In Todays America Health is a "Right" to those with money or a job with health cover and a hard fought for "privilege" for anyone without money or on hard times.
Too many smug and complaicent Americans who have full health cover who look down on fellow Americans who don't have health cover.
Just remember what goes around comes around.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by Dreamer222

I believe Health care would be your just compensation my friend. I did just read it and organick has a point. The constitution also says we shall form a more perfect union and promote the general welfare.......

It would only be your just compensation if you use it. If you die of a sudden heart attack without ever having gone to the doctor then you paid into a system you never used. Do they send a check to your heirs?

The congress shall have power
1. To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and gen-
eral welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts, and excises, shall be uniform throughout the United States:
2. To borrow money on the credit of the United States:
3. To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes:
4. To establish an uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies through out the United States:
5. To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures:
6. To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States:
7. To establish post-offices and post-roads:
8. To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing, for limited times, to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:
9. To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court:
10. To define and punish piracies, and felonies, committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations:
11. To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water:
12. To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years:
13. To provide and maintain a navy:
14. To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces:
15. To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions:
16. To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress:
17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and acceptance of congress,
become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings:--And
18. To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

http://www.constitution.org/js/js_006.htm

I don't see anywhere in there a forced consumption for services, maybe I missed it, that's unless you consider promote as you have no choice.

[jetgraphics]

"No one should suffer / die because they cannot afford XYZ," must be prefaced with "No one should be compelled to labor for another's benefit, so that ...."

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.

Slavery (involuntary servitude) is never an expedient solution to the ills of society.
Socialism is the biggest fraud - because it imposes involuntary servitude. And whoever controls the collective, controls all.

My Creator endowed me with the rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership of myself, and that which I acquire by my harmless activities.

When I have to ask government's permission to live, work and own, I am no longer a free man. And if I have to pay tribute or suffer punishment for the exercise of my rights, I am nothing less than a slave.

Just say "NO" to socialist enslavement, before it is too late.

[Nomander]

Originally Posted by Dreamer222

I believe it is a no brainer and it is the right of every American citizen every human but we will not even go there) to have their health and the ability to be treated by doctors etc.


What do you all feel about that?

The problem with "right" is that the definition and its implications have been changed to a different meaning specifically designed to cater to an agenda.

Sure you have a "right" to health (indirectly) and because you do, you can go out and secure that through your own merits. Nobody is stopping you from buying your own plans and taking care of your own insurance. You are free to achieve that yourself. Your right in this manner is to be able to achieve it without interference by others trying to stop you.

The real question is... do you have the "right" to infringe on others by demanding they be taxed and regulated to serve your interests in your own health? Do you have the right to demand another treat you or dictate the costs involved when they do?

No, you have no "right" as it is used concerning our constitutional foundations. The right you speak of is that of a nobility, one where ALL are subservient to them because by their very being, all must submit to their demand. Their right stems from them being "better" than others, of a "higher" or more "important" position to which they can take anything they like due to their "right".

This also is not your right as you are no better than any other and have no "claim" to demand such from others. Your rights are to achieve what you desire by your own merits without others attempting restricting that right to pursue such.

Your right is freedom, not health, not money, not a car, a job, or any other thing. You can use your freedom to obtain those things on your own and as long as we protect your right to freedom, your failures to obtain such will be by your own hand.

You have no right to limit or infringe on the freedom of others to make claim to health or any other specific.