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Old 11-22-2009, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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I am just asking. I know everyone that voted for Obama voted for Hope & Change so what's up guys? Bush is gone, Obama has apologized for all our transgressions yet it appears that things are even more dangerous than when Bush was in office.

TEHRAN, Iran – Iran on Sunday began large-scale air defense war games aimed at protecting its nuclear facilities from attack, state TV reported, as an air force commander boasted the country could deter any military strike by Israel.

Iran begins war games to protect nuclear sites - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_war_games - broken link)

BAGHDAD – A stepped-up campaign by Iraq's prime minister against Saddam Hussein loyalists is alienating Sunni Muslims and stoking tensions between them and the majority Shiites ahead of key national elections.

Iraq PM ramps up attacks on Baathists before vote - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq_saddam_s_supporters - broken link)

DUBLIN – Irish Republican Army dissidents left a 400-pound (180-kilogram) car bomb outside police reform headquarters in Belfast but the homemade device failed to detonate, Northern Ireland's police commander said Sunday.

As politicians warned of a rising threat from IRA diehards, four other suspected IRA dissidents were arrested Sunday following a gun attack on police.

Police: IRA dissidents plant car bomb in Belfast - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091122/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nireland_ira_dissidents - broken link)

JERUSALEM – Israeli aircraft attacked two suspected weapons-making factories and a smuggling tunnel in the Gaza Strip early Sunday in what the military said was retaliation for Palestinian rocket fire into southern Israel.

The airstrikes, which wounded at least seven people — including one seriously — came despite an announcement by Gaza's Hamas rulers that the territory's military factions had all agreed to stop firing rockets. The Hamas announcement came late Saturday, after the rocket attack.

Israeli aircraft strike Gaza targets - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians;_ylt=AniUw5HkJPROEHMSp2OcMM 5vaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTJudTI0dXZuBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMT IyL21sX2lzcmFlbF9wYWxlc3RpbmlhbnMEY3BvcwMyBHBvcwM3 BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2lzcmFlbGlhaXJjcg - broken link)--

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez is hailing the forthcoming arrival of 300 Russian-made tanks and armored vehicles, and urging civilians to join government-organized militias to be ready to defend Venezuela from a foreign invasion.

Chavez called on his supporters to undergo military training and join the militias during a Saturday speech that ended around midnight, saying he thinks "it's the obligation" of every member of his socialist party to participate in an ongoing effort to "organize combat groups."

Venezuela to get 300 tanks, armored vehicles - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091122/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_more_weapons - broken link)

Hugo Chavez has ordered his troops to prepare for a possible conflict with US-backed Columbia. Chavez said, “The [U.S.] empire is more threatening than ever. Don’t make a mistake, Mr. Obama, by ordering an attack against Venezuela by way of Colombia.”

Venezuela Prepares For Conflict With U.S. In Columbia | Dailycensored.com

Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- North Korea is running a global arms smuggling enterprise to finance its nuclear weapons program, a United Nations panel said in a report on sanctions imposed on the regime.

“The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has established a highly sophisticated international network for the acquisition, marketing and sale of arms and military equipment,” said the report by a panel established in June to assess the effectiveness of the UN punishments.

North Korea Arms Trade Funds Nuclear-Bomb Work, UN Panel Says - Bloomberg.com
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I am just asking. I know everyone that voted for Obama voted for Hope & Change so what's up guys? Bush is gone, Obama has apologized for all our transgressions yet it appears that things are even more dangerous than when Bush was in office
It may appear that way to someone who's keeping his brain sufficiently out of focus.

Are you just trolling or are you really unaware that I could produce, in ten minutes, a similarly ominous list of headlines from the period Jan-Nov 2001 (or 1993, or 1989, or 1981, or 1977, etc. "It was always burnin' since the world's been turnin'.")

Would you like me to try?

Aside even from that, I didn't vote for Obama because I thought world peace would break out. Maintaining the peace for the country I live in will be an adequate measure of success. Whether he's up to it, we'll see.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:04 PM
 
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Obama's problem (actually, the world's problem) is that he left intact the military leadership that wants "long war"--Gates, Petraeus, Odierno, McChrystal et. al. He should have cleaned house. Now we have a military that seeks political advantages through selective media leaks--that's not how the military is supposed to function in a democracy. The current crew in charge of our dirty little wars is playing from the same playbook that they've kept for 8 years. We can anticipate similar results.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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It may appear that way to someone who's keeping his brain sufficiently out of focus.

Are you just trolling or are you really unaware that I could produce, in ten minutes, a similarly ominous list of headlines from the period Jan-Nov 2001 (or 1993, or 1989, or 1981, or 1977, etc. "It was always burnin' since the world's been turnin'.")

Would you like me to try?

Aside even from that, I didn't vote for Obama because I thought world peace would break out. Maintaining the peace for the country I live in will be an adequate measure of success. Whether he's up to it, we'll see.
Well considering so many thought Bush was all the world's problem and that if we just had a leader that was respected by the world everything would fall in line how do you explain that it is no better. You may not have expected a change but the Hope and Chnge crowd did.

BTW I know you can find headlines at any time in history showing world strife, but then again we were not promised so much hope and change either were we? As far as peace for our country we live in, how is that going?
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:33 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Obama's problem (actually, the world's problem) is that he left intact the military leadership that wants "long war"--Gates, Petraeus, Odierno, McChrystal et. al. He should have cleaned house. Now we have a military that seeks political advantages through selective media leaks--that's not how the military is supposed to function in a democracy. The current crew in charge of our dirty little wars is playing from the same playbook that they've kept for 8 years. We can anticipate similar results.

Wait a minute... The President is in charge of our military.

If he knew what he was doing, instead of having advisers for everything he wants to do, we would be on our way home with a victory.
You have a passive coward as a leader, you get what you elected, along with a lot of your fellow Americans dead.

Freedom isn't so free, is it!
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:34 PM
 
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Well considering so many thought Bush was all the world's problem and that if we just had a leader that was respected by the world everything would fall in line...
What I am considering is who these many people were/are... I don't know any of them nor have I read such comments here or anywhere else.

If you got'm post'm, otherwise go back to your cloistered mini-van.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Well considering so many thought Bush was all the world's problem and that if we just had a leader that was respected by the world everything would fall in line how do you explain that it is no better. You may not have expected a change but the Hope and Chnge crowd did.
A change in what-the fact that the world has crises? Nobody expected that, and nobody in any crowd said they expected it. I defy you to show me one person who said it.

A change in our relation to the rest of the world? I think that's going reasonably well. It could be going better, but not by accepting the right-wing premise of benevolent American hegemony. Obama should repudiate that idea even more strongly than he has.

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BTW I know you can find headlines at any time in history showing world strife, but then again we were not promised so much hope and change either were we? As far as peace for our country we live in, how is that going?
We are not at war with Russia, or China, or North Korea, or Cuba, or Venezuela, none of which I can say for sure would be the case if Obama had lost. That's all the hope and change I wanted or expected.
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Old 11-22-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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BentBow i agree with a lot of your posts but this an't one of them

Read some more history only one way to beat that bunch

Pull everyone out and nuke them past the stone age when everyone looks the same and can blend together

You can't beet them on their home ground unless you leave no living thing behind you, that is why Russia pulled out too.

This all in a spot the size of Texas
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Old 11-22-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I feel safer than I did under Bush. Remember 9/11 occurred when Bush was president.
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Old 11-22-2009, 04:10 PM
 
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I feel safer than I did under Bush. Remember 9/11 occurred when Bush was president.
The difference being, and I believe this, Obama would do nothing in the aftermath of another 9-11. And his supporters? They'd cheer.
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