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Old 11-25-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Our president, whether intentionally or not, making it appear to be a holy war certainly didn't help matters.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:10 PM
 
Location: stairway to heaven
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Anti Arabian policies includes the welfare to Israel and as of right now the occupation of Iraq.
What a stooge thing to say Nasuba, you're better than that. How do we provide welfare to a free people such as the Israelis. It is a funny thing to me that the Israelis do not have the oil resources that the arabs have and yet they maintain a high standard of living.

With regard to Iraq. We are done with Iraq as far as pacification is concerned and as soon as the citizenry get it togeather to uphold a semblance of a democracy or at least a minimally not hostile government I assure you we have no interest there other than a fair price of oil which by the way we deserve.
Do you think the future of Iraq is better that we tossed the Bathists or would you rather the Bathists were in power?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:14 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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America creates them, Americans have to deal with them....simple as that.

Americans want to dip a hand in that region with Israel then they should be ready to take on the full responsibility that comes along with it.
Oh, so you want appeasement? Do as I like, and you'll not have a problem with us?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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What a stooge thing to say Nasuba, you're better than that. How do we provide welfare to a free people such as the Israelis. It is a funny thing to me that the Israelis do not have the oil resources that the arabs have and yet they maintain a high standard of living.

With regard to Iraq. We are done with Iraq as far as pacification is concerned and as soon as the citizenry get it togeather to uphold a semblance of a democracy or at least a minimally not hostile government I assure you we have no interest there other than a fair price of oil which by the way we deserve.
Do you think the future of Iraq is better that we tossed the Bathists or would you rather the Bathists were in power?

The Ba'ath party Iraq was not perfect...but it is better than what Iraq has become. As soon as Americans leave(which will be never if you are waiting for a non hostile democratic government) it will turn into an Islamic fundamentalist government. Atleast with Ba'ath there was some seperation from fundamentalist, now since every Muslim brother looking to enter the kingdom of martyrdom is going there it will be Sharia as soon as americans leave.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:20 PM
 
Location: stairway to heaven
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Our president, whether intentionally or not, making it appear to be a holy war certainly didn't help matters.
Oh for crying out loud, where the helll did you go to school, Austin Pea?
I suppose it will take many years for people to understand the military logic for invading Iraq. It is so simple it evades those that chase their tales,(not saying that about you Lamplight). We put boots on the ground in the heart of the nest and it worked. It is such a simple concept and god forbid a hoard of leftist nimkabobs come on her with some idiotic rant that tries to negate that simple truth And it worked. God bless George Bush and company for all the wonderful results that will come from that effort. Provided of course the present morons in power do not negate it all, but that for another day.
Back to the topic there Nasuba ole boy.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:24 PM
 
Location: stairway to heaven
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The Ba'ath party Iraq was not perfect...but it is better than what Iraq has become. As soon as Americans leave(which will be never if you are waiting for a non hostile democratic government) it will turn into an Islamic fundamentalist government. Atleast with Ba'ath there was some seperation from fundamentalist, now since every Muslim brother looking to enter the kingdom of martyrdom is going there it will be Sharia as soon as americans leave.
I do not believe that. I believe as George Bush believed that when men taste freedom they will fight to protect freedom. If we deliver on even a modest flavor of freedom the barbarians will not be able to shake it loose. Now let us stay on our original topic please. I want to hear all your notions of why America is responsible for the woes of the downtrodden Muslims. Please humor me.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Our president, whether intentionally or not, making it appear to be a holy war certainly didn't help matters.
It is a holy war...dont get caught up in the rhetoric

This war may be for money and oil, but it is a war on Islam. The actions of Mr.Hasan was a clear sign of this.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:25 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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The new Christian past time is drawing attention to themselves, because other people don't find them to be terribly interesting or important. Now they have to invent a "war on Christmas." I'm hoping they all go to the North Pole to fight this war, so I can get my holiday shopping done in peace.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:27 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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It is a holy war...dont get caught up in the rhetoric

This war may be for money and oil, but it is a war on Islam. The actions of Mr.Hasan was a clear sign of this.
It is a war on what (some) Islam did, and is still doing and planning on doing.

There are plenty of Muslims living peacefully in this country and elsewhere.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Oh for crying out loud, where the helll did you go to school, Austin Pea?
HOW DARE YOU SIR!

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I suppose it will take many years for people to understand the military logic for invading Iraq. It is so simple it evades those that chase their tales,(not saying that about you Lamplight). We put boots on the ground in the heart of the nest and it worked. It is such a simple concept and god forbid a hoard of leftist nimkabobs come on her with some idiotic rant that tries to negate that simple truth And it worked. God bless George Bush and company for all the wonderful results that will come from that effort. Provided of course the present morons in power do not negate it all, but that for another day.
Back to the topic there Nasuba ole boy.
I'm not saying that Bush did make it a holy war. In fact I'm pretty hesitant to believe he saw it that way. But when he would speak of terrorism and the Christian God, I can also see how to radical Muslims it may appear that he intended it to be a holy war. And BTW, at the time I supported Bush and the Iraq war (and was a Christian). But even then I was worried that some of his comments would be interpreted this way.
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