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Old 12-21-2009, 10:34 PM
 
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It's up to politicians to diversify a city and not have it dependent on one single industry. Charlotte, NC relies heavily on banking and, although not as bad as Detroit, it's having a rough time right now. That doesn't mean I think they won't make it out of this hole but no city survives forever if it only has one industry that is supporting a large infrastructure around it.

Politicians, in this case heavily Democratic, can either choose to cater to a single industry, in this case automobiles, with hopes that the market will never change or they can diversify its "portfolio". Seeing as how unions played such a huge role in Detroit, along with the automakers, one can probably come to the assumption that the politician's decisions were heavily swayed by said groups.

Andy Stern needs to get the hell away from the White House.
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Old 12-22-2009, 12:27 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Politicians, in this case heavily Democratic, can either choose to cater to a single industry, in this case automobiles, with hopes that the market will never change or they can diversify its "portfolio".
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Detroit's rise in auto manufacturing make the city into what it was at its height of prosperity and entrepreneurship? Without all the cottage industries and support businesses that grew up along with the auto plants, Detroit might still be just a little town of 200,000 or would have dried up completely like a lot of other towns have done in the post-Henry Ford era. Until NAFTA there was never a reason to believe that people would quit buying American cars and thus no need for the city to "diversify its portfolio." All of Michigan is in the process of diversifying away from the auto industry now but it's not an overnight process.

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Old 12-22-2009, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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More childish hyperbole, sourced with another youtube video. Is anybody surprised?
The problem is that if anything goes wrong or bad, and I mean anything, sanrene will blame everything on the left or the democratic party. The sky could fall, and we democrats would be blamed for it. You have to wtch out for people like these, their actions are highly unpredictable, people like these sometimes get downright rowdy and violent to get their point across,
quite dangerous actually.
Yes, exactly, why would anyone vote republican after seeing and reading their stuff?
how ridiculous.
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:23 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Yes, and they still are - along with pizza. My point was that the lock the exhorbinantly gluttonous auto unions had on that industry did not directly prevent other industries from setting up shop. It's a common misconception. There were many other reasons why other industries never settled there that had a lot more to do with the flow of markets.


Not to mention the right conveniently overlooks things like manufacturers moving operations offshore in search of higher profits at the expense of US jobs. After all, they'll still call a Ford made in Mexico an American car as long as the folks in the corner office get their multi million $$$ packages. Yet, put their blinders on and you'll see that has nothing to do with the problem
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Old 12-22-2009, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Another thread based on the premise that poverty and misery does not exist where conservatives are in charge. Pretty ridiculous!
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:56 AM
 
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Yikes who said that? They are a group of people who are exactly the same, it is easy for them to agree on everything. When you have competing interests because of different world view you have a much more difficult time coming to consensus.

Actually I take it back, the left sees everything through the prism of race, it really is a fascinating pathology laid bare here.
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They ruined my favorite car, SAAB.

They made classless cars for their classless society.
To both of you, for one, Swedish people are as diverse as anyone, and they have their problems too, like anyone. There is no "group of people who are exactly the same" They have immigrants, children of immigrants who only has Sweden as their "home" country, yet still faces living in two diffeent cultures, they have ethnic swedes, Lapps etc, etc.

They sure do have their fair share of problems, but they also have a fairly sound way of discussing and solving them. They don't blindly follow the directives they get from the EU, even if they're supposed to, possibly because ever since they joined the EU, there hasn't been a single day where the majority of the population wanted to be a member. To call them homogeneous is ignorant and based on lacking knowledge.

...Much like saying it's a classless society, which in no way it is, or has ever been.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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Not to mention the right conveniently overlooks things like manufacturers moving operations offshore in search of higher profits at the expense of US jobs. After all, they'll still call a Ford made in Mexico an American car as long as the folks in the corner office get their multi million $$$ packages. Yet, put their blinders on and you'll see that has nothing to do with the problem
It looks like you conveniently overlooked the fact that Detroit was the home of GM, and they just filed BK, something that doesnt come from "higher profits", and Ford is located in Dearborn Michigan, which indeed is not Detroit..
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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The video should have contrasted the city with it's overwhelmingly Republican suburbs. My wife grew up in Bloomfield Hills which is one of the richest communities in America. The residents of all these well-to-do suburbs ringing Detroit are forced by the Democrats in control to pay more taxes so that inner city schools can graduate 25% of their student body.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Same thing happened in New England when the clothing part of the textile industry moved to the south and the sailcloth making part just disappeared. It has taken over 100 years for some of the cities and towns to recover and many are still depressed as the industrial development that replaced textiles has moved off shore.

Detroit has a special problem as the race of the workforce changed. The suburbs became populated with white families living, recently anyway, on UAW pensions while the city of Detroit is overwhelmed by unemployed blacks that have not been around long enough to collect pensions and a racist union is not helping.

Regardless of the race of the workers I see great difficulty for economic recovery due mostly to Detroit's location and weather. Why would a manufacturer want to build a factory where the winter makes everything from power delivery to workforce transport completely unreliable for 1/3 of the year? Better to build in a low tax, low wage country with a mild climate and a young workforce. Southern China and India come to mind. Without massive countervailing tariffs this country will have to find something besides manufacturing to create the wealth (in the economic sense of wealth) we will need to take care of ourselves and support out useless empire.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Here
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The problem is that if anything goes wrong or bad, and I mean anything, sanrene will blame everything on the left or the democratic party. The sky could fall, and we democrats would be blamed for it. You have to wtch out for people like these, their actions are highly unpredictable, people like these sometimes get downright rowdy and violent to get their point across,
quite dangerous actually.
Yes, exactly, why would anyone vote republican after seeing and reading their stuff?
how ridiculous.
Oh my God!! Lock your doors! They're coming for you!
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