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Originally Posted by ryanst530
labor unions for starters.
socialist labor unions and their incompetence brought detroit down. lack of economic planning and diversifying only made things worse.
Incompetent management which has attained levels of greed unthought of by unions has been just as responsible. In case you haven't figured it out, every labor contract is agreed to by two parties.
This record from the Tax Foundation is a good place to start:
"In fiscal year 2004, New Mexico, Alaska, West Virginia, Mississippi and North Dakota received substantially more from the federal government than they paid in taxes, while New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota and Illinois paid much more in taxes than they received in spending. Tax burdens for fiscal year (FY) 2004, which starts October 1, 2003 and ends September 30, 2004, are used in this study because the most recent state-level federal expenditure data released by the Census Bureau, to which the tax burdens are compared, is for FY 2004."
Seriously, Sanrene. I wish you would challenge yourself to see beyond your black and white worldview. There are no good guys and bad guys. There's no right ideology and no wrong ideology for all situations.
If you studied the founding principles of our nation, you would know that the tension between ideologies was built into the system. But you haven't studied that, so it's hard to discuss these issues with you.
This record from the Tax Foundation is a good place to start:
Wow! From 2004 - 5 states received more from the Feds than they put in - hardly makes your point.
And 5 got back less. That is not most, which is what you claimed.
Old study as well.
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Seriously, Sanrene. I wish you would challenge yourself to see beyond your black and white worldview. There are no good guys and bad guys. There's no right ideology and no wrong ideology for all situations.
This record from the Tax Foundation is a good place to start:
"In fiscal year 2004, New Mexico, Alaska, West Virginia, Mississippi and North Dakota received substantially more from the federal government than they paid in taxes, while New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota and Illinois paid much more in taxes than they received in spending. Tax burdens for fiscal year (FY) 2004, which starts October 1, 2003 and ends September 30, 2004, are used in this study because the most recent state-level federal expenditure data released by the Census Bureau, to which the tax burdens are compared, is for FY 2004."
Seriously, Sanrene. I wish you would challenge yourself to see beyond your black and white worldview. There are no good guys and bad guys. There's no right ideology and no wrong ideology for all situations.
If you studied the founding principles of our nation, you would know that the tension between ideologies was built into the system. But you haven't studied that, so it's hard to discuss these issues with you.
Come on, Sanrene. No side is always right, no side is always wrong. We can break this black-and-white disease you have. You just need the will power! You just need to see that the world isn't what talk show hosts say it is!
It's very obvious as to why when you correlate the population density to that assessment.
I was simply responding to a poster who made a much believed false assertion that blue states feed off the federal trough.
Just needed to state the fact that they, in fact, feed the federal trough for others with excess tax dollars.
I understand the larger socio-economic dynamics at work. I make no judgments on it. The poster's assertion was simply incorrect and, in order for us to ever find healing, we must identify these persistent lies and out them when we can.
Come on, Sanrene. No side is always right, no side is always wrong. We can break this black-and-white disease you have. You just need the will power! You just need to see that the world isn't what talk show hosts say it is!
urban population: 82% of total population (2008)
rate of urbanization: 1.3% annual rate of change (2005-10 est.)
I know you've argued, in the past, that red and blue states are a misnomer.
You know, I really would be ashamed to bicker and point fingers on this thread.
Jesus, look at the video, would you? If that video didn't depress the hell out of you, then you are heartless. All of those dilapidated homes and buildings once housed good people. Good families. Hopes. Dreams. Promise. Now they're dead--the people, the homes, the buildings, the city. Dead.
And all you can do is point fingers? I wonder what you folks do at your mothers funeral. Amazing.
All I can do after watching the video is mourn. It's horrible.
Nothing surprising about that video.
Detroit might as well be dead along with the rest of Michigan, California and soon enough....America.
A city, that for years....held the horrific honor of being the murder capital of the nation.....if not, still.
Better chance of the youth in Detroit going to prison than graduating from HS.
Formerly prosperous, but no more.
And....a Democrat-run city since 1961 is what you have to thank for it all.
Not to say that there aren't some rotten apples who are Pubs. too, but let's face it.....you cannot deny the FACT that.....the Dems. have been at the helm in Detroit for years.....and LOOK at the place!
They have been at the helm in California.....and LOOK HOW BROKE that state is...$23 BILLION in the hole?
Sorry, Dems. but YOU cannot deny that YOUR policies are counterproductive and more often than not......lead to dismal results and HUGE messes that nobody can effectively clean up.
I pity this nation, since I see it on course to end up EXACTLY like Detroit looks if these Libs. and Dems. have their way.
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