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Old 10-02-2010, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by Zimbochick View Post
Katiana beat me to it.

"The study reviewed records of 537303 children born in Denmark between January 1991 and December 1998, representing almost 100% of children born in that period. Of these children 440655 had been vaccinated."
That's OK, better two of us post that than no-one.

 
Old 10-02-2010, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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check these out Zimbochick www.rense.com/general37/moreproof.htm and vactruth.com/2010/10/02/do-vaccines-cause-autism. I have some more in deapth sites `ll post shortly on vaccines and autism
With regard to the first link, the study that "proved" a link between Type 1 diabetes and Hemophilus influenza type b (Hib), hepatitis B, and pneumococcus vaccines, numerous studies have subsequently been undertaken looking for the link, but the results demonstrated in the first study could never be reproduced. Sorry, one study does not make it a fact, no matter how much the likes of Mercola say it's so.

Type 1 and Vaccines : Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation International

NEJM

With regard to your second link, the anti-vac sites are notoriously subjective.
 
Old 10-02-2010, 08:23 PM
 
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Increase in autism? Hey, could be anything!


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Old 10-02-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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I apologize for not reading all 23 pages (and don't know if this has been discussed yet), but here's an interesting article from the Huffington Post for those who keep citing the Danish study:

Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M



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A central figure behind the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered massive fraud involving the theft of millions in taxpayer dollars. Danish police are investigating Dr. Poul Thorsen, who has vanished along with almost $2 million that he had supposedly spent on research.
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Old 10-02-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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I apologize for not reading all 23 pages (and don't know if this has been discussed yet), but here's an interesting article from the Huffington Post for those who keep citing the Danish study:

Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M
Very interesting.
 
Old 10-02-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I apologize for not reading all 23 pages (and don't know if this has been discussed yet), but here's an interesting article from the Huffington Post for those who keep citing the Danish study:

Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. who authored that piece is an antivaccine activist in the extreme. He is the guerilla terrorist of anti-vaxers. I would hardly call his piece subjective at all. And as a small aside, the conspiracy theory aspect about Dr. Poul Thorsen was debunked a few days before Kennedy's article was published. Very shoddy journalism on Kennedy's part. Thorsen did not steal any money, he did not make up stats, and he remains a well-respected member of the medical community.

http://www.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-spectrum-article/update-dr-poul-thorsen-not-missing-not-suspected-in-theft/1038453
 
Old 10-02-2010, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. who authored that piece is an antivaccine activist in the extreme. He is the guerilla terrorist of anti-vaxers. I would hardly call his piece subjective at all. And as a small aside, the conspiracy theory aspect about Dr. Poul Thorsen was debunked a few days before Kennedy's article was published. Very shoddy journalism on Kennedy's part. Thorsen did not steal any money, he did not make up stats, and he remains a well-respected member of the medical community.

http://www.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-spectrum-article/update-dr-poul-thorsen-not-missing-not-suspected-in-theft/1038453
LOL! Now you beat me to the punch. RFK, Jr is a huge anti-immunization guru. He is a discredit to his family, who worked for health care for all.
 
Old 10-02-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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From your cited source: "When thimerosal is marked with an asterisk (and all instances were - Suzy_Q) it indicates that the product should be considered equivalent to thimerosal - free products. This vaccine may contain trace amounts of mercury (< 0.3 mcg) of mercury left after post production thimerosal removal, but these amounts have no biological effects."

Do you feed your family fish?

Mercury Levels in Commercial Fish and Shellfish

To be fair, this is methylmercury, not ethylmercury, but you do believe ALL mercury is toxic, do you not? So the entire world should stop eating fish, right?
 
Old 10-02-2010, 10:19 PM
 
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I'm sure the islanders would all be free from desease, as their immune systems would not be damadged from all the preservatives and toxic substances found in vaccines.
We do have records from before modern medicine, you know. Ancient people described a condition called "lockjaw" - this is what a patient with lockjaw looks like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/CBell1809.jpg/230px-CBell1809.jpg (broken link)

That look comfortable? Because that's the natural way for a human body to react to infection with Clostridium tetani. That's how it's been since we started keeping records. That is, until some smart people figured out how to make tetanus vaccines, which prepare our oh-so-pristine immune systems for running into the bacterium.

Oh, and people still die from tetanus in the 3rd world. If you have access to modern medicine, the mortality rate is about 1 patient in 9, with long-term effects on the survivors. (1 in 9 is bad, mkay?) You can give your body a fighting chance by letting your immune system's memory cells encounter an inactivated version of tetanus toxin before you encounter the full-blown version in the wild.

Microorganisms are mean, merciless SOBs, fine-tuned to circumvent our defenses through millions of years of evolution. You feeling that your immune system is uncompromised by thimerosal will not stop them.

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the study done by the Danes on autism did not use unvaccinated children compared to vaxed ,All the children were vaxed, just some without mercury.
Two studies, for heaven's sake.

One compared the incidence rate of autism between children who had received MMR vaccine and those who hadn't.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

No correlation.

The other study looked at vaccinated children only, before and after the removal of thimerosal from vaccines.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/112/3/604

No correlation.

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They shouls try a comparrison with completely unvaxed children to vaxed, then you'd see an absolute difference.
It's been done, first link above. No correlation.

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It's not just the mercury, but the aluminum, the formaldyhide and a whole load of other neurologically harmfull ingrediants in vaccines that make them dangerous.
It's fascinating - I've never encountered a more slippery hypothesis. "It's mercury - or aluminum, or formaldehyde or - well, anything we can make sound scary."

OK, so thimerosal has been removed from vaccines in a number of countries. Has the rate of autism dropped? No. That kills the hypothesis, OK? Think of something new.
 
Old 10-03-2010, 07:08 AM
 
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Japanese & British Data Show Vaccines Cause Autism
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