Anyone familiar with the autism/vaccine debate? (election, household, house)
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No, autism rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated children are the same.
NHS Evidence Health Information Resources formerly National Library for Health - News & RSS Article (http://www.library.nhs.uk/rss/newsAndRssArticle.aspx?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.librar y.nhs.uk%2Fresources%2F%3Fid%3D66267 - broken link)
the study is very misleading..ALL the children in this study were vaccinated, just not with the mmr vaccine..the results can in no way be held as proof that unvaccinated children get autism as well..Now if they did the same study with completely unvaccinated children and the vaccinated, I'm sure the results would show an entirely different outcome,..but then they wouldn't want that would they, because it would show proof that the unvaccinated very, very, very rarely develope autism.
cdc is the biggest fear-mongers going,they are responsible for a huge amount of suffering, anguish and death, all in the name of the huge profits they share nwith the pharmacytical companies and vaccine makers. Why don't YOU try reading something else???It might open those eyes of yours.
Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 12-28-2010 at 08:31 PM..
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It does not matter whether we are talking about "elements" in the specific or the general sense. There are chemicals that are more toxic than mercury that are used in medicine.
Which may provide some basis for why Medical treatment kills more people each year ... 750,000 ... more than cancer or heart disease, making medicine the leading cause of death in the United States.
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Read the link again. We are talking about thimerosal. The study was specifically about the physiology of the elimination of ethylmercury from children receiving vaccines containing thimerosal. Will we ever see a specific study of ethylmercury in humans? With all the hoopla over thimerosal, I think not.
for your information, there are no human studies because it would be objectionable to many, to use human babies as guinea pigs ...
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Actually, ethylmercury is excreted in stool and urine, so your implication that it is cleared from the blood by being concentrated in the brain is false.
Actually, this is a very good example of totally missing what the article actually says.
Get that? Mercury from thimerosal does not accumulate in the brain.
I didn't miss anything in the article, and I'm not ignorant enough to use a reference that disproves my own point.
I find it altogether amazing that you could miss the most critical part of the conclusion in that very reference. This is what you omitted from the article's conclusion:
A higher percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the form of inorganic Hg for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%).
That's right ... bio-accumulation at the rate of 5 times that of methylmercury was found in the brains of the monkeys dosed with thimerosal. Not found in the stools, not in the blood, not in the urine ..... found in the BRAIN TISSUE. This means that the ethylmercury passes the blood brain barrier, and takes residence in the brain tissue.
IT ACCUMULATES IN THE BRAIN ..... BY A FACTOR OF FIVE TIMES THAT OF METHYLMERCURY !!! 34% ethyl versus 7% methyl.
Furthermore, the inorganic mercury is the most toxic form of mercury affecting brain neurons ... and there is NO "half-life". It remains in the brain ... unable to be "excreted". That means it stays there, and destroys neurological functions.
The conclusion continues: (same reference article)
The results indicate that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the toxicokinetics and developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to afford a meaningful assessment of the developmental effects of thimerosal-containing vaccines.
This is saying that ALL of the FDA guidelines for safe doses of mercury exposure from vaccines is TOTALLY BOGUS, because those guidelines were established based on toxicity of ingested methylmercury and not on injected ethylmecury, which this study shows to be far more accumulative in the brain, by a factor of 5. This means there is NO SAFE LEVEL that has been clinically established ...that the FDA and the Pharma Cartel have been lying all along, using ingested methylmercury toxicity as the basis for their safety guidelines without ONE SHRED OF SCIENCE to support it. And they know it, have known it ... and still know it now .... which means they are allowing the use of it WITHOUT legitimate safety studies. The FDA is in fact just as criminally culpable as the Pharmaceutical industry and willfully engaging in fraud.
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The article was written in 2005 and concludes only that what we believe about ethylmercury should not be based on what we know about methylmercury. It called for more research. Since then, there has been nothing that has proven the mercury from thimerosal in vaccines causes harm.
the FDA's rules require drug manufacturers to have clinical safety studies performed proving the safety of any drug or medicine BEFORE being approved for use. The criteria isn't to allow everything to be used UNTIL SOMEONE PROVES IT ISN'T SAFE
This means there is no safety data for thimerosal based ethylmercury. NONE. That means that it's use in ANY product should be banned immediately ... pulled from shelves ... and those who have known about this (at least for the past 5 years) should be criminally prosecuted, including officials at the FDA.
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Yep, I have the truth. It's right there in the reference you provided --- the reference just does not say what you wanted it to. You may want to read it.
In any event ... not only was the ingested methylmercury toxicity levels falsely used to establish FDA guidlines for thimerosal ethylmercury safety levels, but the widespread propaganda claiming no bio-accumulation of ethylmercury was also blatantly false, as proven by the study referenced here. Not only false, but in fact, the monkeys dosed with thimerosal experienced a five fold level of mercury in the brain tissue as compared with those dosed with methylmercury.
Consequently, with regard to brain toxicity dangers ... the FDA guidlines are at least 5 times higher than would be safe, based on these findings. But it's even worse than that, because those guidelines assume no bio-accumulation, when there actually is significant accumulation.
the very fact that mercury concentrations were found in the brain tissue and measured is PROOF of bio-accumulation. The only way one could legitimately claim that there is no bio-accumulation is if every bit of mercury introduced into the body was eliminated through normal bodily functions. That there are measurable amounts of mercury found in the brains of these animals is proof that it accumulates.
Furthermore ... studies of the effects of mercury on brain neurons show that very tiny amounts destroy brain neurons as depicted in the video below ... showing that the IS NO SAFE AMOUNT ... any suggestion or insinuation that there is a safe level of mercury that can enter the brain, is by definition .... brain dead nonsense.
This would be saying that there are acceptable and safe levels of brain damage allowable .... so, you may take in mercury until when? You're too stupid to breath? Have trouble with crossword puzzles? When your motor skills begin to decline? You can't remember your own name? When and how much brain damage should the FDA allow?
The very idea is ABSURD. The safe level of mercury is ZERO. Any amount over that is unsafe. And only an idiot would claim otherwise, or believe such nonsense.
This is a very ignorant post. Did YOU recieve vaccines? Don't have kids. Or pets. You probably won't be allowed to have pets anyway with that attitude. No vet would touch that animal.
Unvaccinated kids are very robust, extremely healthy little individuals..No vet would have to touch that animal, because it would be sssooooooo healthy, there would be no need for the vet
2. There is no thimerosol in any routine childhood immunizations and has not been since 2001. There never was any thimerosol in MMR vaccine, one of the "bete noirs" of the vaccines cause autism crowd.
wrong. most flu shots(now foolishly recommended for 6 month old children, and pregnant women) still contain this highly toxic poisin..Why do you keep on insisting that mmr is the "autism" vaccine. One more time....It's the huge number of vaccines ...soooo many...that take so many precious children down the path to autism.
2. There is no thimerosol in any routine childhood immunizations and has not been since 2001. There never was any thimerosol in MMR vaccine, one of the "bete noirs" of the vaccines cause autism crowd.
wrong. most flu shots(now foolishly recommended for 6 month old children, and pregnant women) still contain this highly toxic poisin..Why do you keep on insisting that mmr is the "autism" vaccine. One more time....It's the huge number of vaccines ...soooo many...that take so many precious children down the path to autism.
You missed the phrase "routine childhood immunizations". Flu vaccine is the only vaccine for infants/children that MAY contain thimerosol. Thimerosol-free flu vaccine is available and many offices, including ours, use it. There is no thimerosol in flu mist.
I also said "one of" the bete noirs of the vaccines cause autism crowd. Do you deny that?
It's always something with the autism people. I wish they'd expend the energy on actually finding a cause and a cure that they spend on this anti-immunization stuff.
It's always something with the autism people. I wish they'd expend the energy on actually finding a cause and a cure that they spend on this anti-immunization stuff.
Well, they say that some autistic people can be very focused.
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