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Old 01-16-2010, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Any time you would like to substantiate that I would love to read it. I believe they have cost more jobs than they have saved. Outsourcing isn't happening because labor costs in the US are reasonable.
There isn't a definite means of determing the figures but if you were to take a class on the history of unions you would agree that over the course of their history they have saved jobs more often than not. And the cost of labor unions has little to do with outsourcing. Even non-union jobs are outsourced, it's still drastically cheaper union or not.
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:38 PM
 
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The vast majority of manufacturing jobs in the US are labor union jobs. Depending on what you're buying, for the most part, it's either buying something labor made or child labor sweat-shop made. You choose.
I could like to see you provide a link to support your statement. Unions are not nearly as wide spread in the south and west as in New Jersey.
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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I could like to see you provide a link to support your statement. Unions are not nearly as wide spread in the south and west as in New Jersey.
Probably because Jersey and the Midwest are where the vast majority of manufacturing jobs are.
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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There isn't a definite means of determing the figures but if you were to take a class on the history of unions you would agree that over the course of their history they have saved jobs more often than not. And the cost of labor unions has little to do with outsourcing. Even non-union jobs are outsourced, it's still drastically cheaper union or not.
Wow you took a whole class on the subject that gave you such insight on the topic yet you can't support anything you write.
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:41 PM
 
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twista6002 wrote...

...some other gibberish...

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There isn't a definite means of determing the figures
So you're just making this up?
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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twista6002 wrote...


So you're just making this up?

Pretty much....
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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There isn't a definite means of determining the figures but if you were to take a class on the history of unions you would agree that over the course of their history they have saved jobs more often than not. And the cost of labor unions has little to do with outsourcing. Even non-union jobs are outsourced, it's still drastically cheaper union or not.
The unions are only in it for themselves. They're not trying to create jobs or save jobs, they simply want to make their constituents as much money as possible. No one can blame them for that. In my view, the only time unions are nefarious is when they're backed by the state, local, or federal governments. At that point, they're given an unfair advantage in the labor market (see the topic of this thread). Is it fair that a non-union worker has to pay 30% more for healthcare?
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Silly question. Not only will taxpayers make up the difference in higher premiums, we'll also have to make up the shortfalls in estimated costs.

Just look at the Mass. program..doubled in 2 years from about $600 million to over $2 billion.
Now they have to cut back. And they have a mandate for everyone to have insurance yet they cannot provide to everyone so there are some without insurance in Mass. See how great that's working out.

Now picture the Mass. program at a national level and add the illegals who can buy into this pool.
I give it 12 months before we see that projected estimates were a pipe dream. We'll be bleeding billions before the first year of this is over..even with the taxes they will collect ahead of time.

Do you honestly think whatever taxes the government collects between now and 2014 will be put on the side and not spent and saved to subsidize health insurance premiums ?
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Those who don't have employer provided insurance are already caring the rest. Just more burden for them.

Ban Employer Provided Health Insurance.
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Old 01-17-2010, 10:18 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Wow you took a whole class on the subject that gave you such insight on the topic yet you can't support anything you write.
Maybe the poster left forum? I'll tell you a few thing that labor unions have done to help save jobs: They fought for the Health and Safety Act 1970, the Family and Medical Leave Act 1993, Civil Rights Act/title VII 1964, just to name a few. And the UAW, over the past decade, have made many concessions try to help the auto industry including taking over the health care expenses for their members so that companies like GM no longer have any responsibilities in that area what so ever.
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