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oh get lives please! George W. Bush courted the Amish voters ... even though they CAN'T VOTE by mandate of their local bishops. The Amish don't use health insurance NOW. They take care of their own via their local congregation that is lead by the Bishop who oversees everything and everyone in the congregation. Under federal mandate, they don't have to serve in the military, nor are they required to go to school after the 8th grade. if someone gets sick, they pay in full ... wait, the community pays in full. I went to many a fundraiser for local amish families with members who were ill. They take care of their own so the government doesn't have to.
oh get lives please! George W. Bush courted the Amish voters ... even though they CAN'T VOTE by mandate of their local bishops. The Amish don't use health insurance NOW. They take care of their own via their local congregation that is lead by the Bishop who oversees everything and everyone in the congregation. Under federal mandate, they don't have to serve in the military, nor are they required to go to school after the 8th grade. if someone gets sick, they pay in full ... wait, the community pays in full. I went to many a fundraiser for local amish families with members who were ill. They take care of their own so the government doesn't have to.
Amish vote. Only about 10-13% of them do, or so it's said. Since there is no check-off for religion on the voter registration form and Amish are hard to track down in telephone polls, the reliability of those figures may be in question.
They aren't forbidden to vote, they just choose not to. They really don't get involved with "English" politics unless it concerns them.
LOL! well, im not attacking socialist programs here, just pointing out that there is something seriously wrong when we are creating law and to get the votes to pass the law we exempt some Americans from the law.
we can talk about the merits of what ever program you want to. but I dont find anything amusing about this particular form of insanity.
I suspect this isnt the first time. I suspect both parties have done it. But this is the one in front of us and this is the time when we all know about it.
As others have mentioned, the Amish are exempt from paying social security, serving in the armed services and this narrow point of the health care bill.
Of course the Amish only make up between 127,000 and 220,000 people total in their sect which means there are more churches registered than there are Amish people total. Additionally, they don't usually draw from the social nets that everyone else does, in fact that is part of the whole Amish existence to remain self sufficient and as far removed as our laws will allow from our society. They do not participate in government as they fear government would corrupt their church and their way of life, which of course they are completely right.
While others have pointed out various exceptions and provisions of exclusion having been made with Obama's health care plan, I see ample places for people to assail his doing so. However when it comes to the Amish people, I mean really... are we all so outraged here or is this just an excuse to cast another stone?
I want to know how our "government" can FORCE us to use our constitutional "rights"??? (they are saying that we have a "right" to health insurance, right?) I guess I didn't read that line in our Bill of Rights...
You are illustrating only too well the arguments of the Federalists. They saw no need for a Bill of Rights, as they were confident that they had created no power that could reach any. The Anti-Federalist thought that might be the case, but worried that in the future some crafty tyrant could twist and distort the words in order to compromise rights. The Federalists then replied that you could never write down all rights individually, and if you only wrote down some rights, people would think that the others were somehow less important. The compromise was the 9th Amendment which SPECIFICALLY COUNSELS YOU never to make the statement you just made...
Amendment 9
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed
to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
No. It is respecting the Amish right of free exercise of religion. But as their objection to Social Security is over its violation of the concept of a God-protected communal order, the exemption applies only within that community. If an Amish person takes a job in the outside world, he or she does pay Social Security.
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Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu
In that case, I am starting the religion of Jake. The basis of our religion is that government shouldn't be responsible for ensuring everybody has insurance. Our specific Satan is penalties due to lack of coverage.
WHO WANTS TO JOIN MY CHURCH?
Good idea. But I think the IRS is one step ahead of you. The religious exemption from Social Security taxes is available only conscientious members of doctrinally objecting religions that existed prior to 1950. You just missed...
Better yet..someone defend the Nebraska sweetheart deal ?
How is it really different from the deal that Snowe, Collins, and Specter worked to put their votes behind the stimulus bill? How is it different from a thousand deals before that? Think Lyndon Johnson. Think Tom DeLay. I think people may have a somewhat naive idea of how politics actually works...
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