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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
The only unfortunate flaw is a system that allows unchecked gun ownership. Or a mentality that thinks it is OK.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. It doesn't state that everyone is entitled to them, nor does it place any prohibitions on government regulation or control.
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Given your ability to write, I assume you also can read? What kind of double talk is this ... "it guarantees the right to keep and bear arms ... but it doesn't state that everyone is entitled to them, or place any prohibitions on government regulation or control".
Look, this is simple english a child of 7 should be able to comprehend... it says " ... the rights of the people" ... it doesn't say the " ... rights of the people, except those the government feels should not be trusted with them"
Now, let's look at the meaning of "infringe" def: actively break the terms of (a law or agreement); act so as to limit or undermine;
"... the rights of the
PEOPLE (no qualifications or exceptions listed), to keep (own) and
Bear (carry openly, show) arms (no exclusions of type or manufacture, or operation or style) shall not be
INFRINGED (limit or undermine the right to own and carry)
Now you explain to all of us just where in that 2nd Amendment even remotely suggests that the law restricts anyone from owning and carrying a gun? Show me and others where in the law that says that the government can "infringe" on this right under certain circumstances? There is no "IF" in the law. There are no individuals exempted from the right. It says "The People", not "the people, except those people, or this person or that person" as qualified by some people in government!
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
Crime rate, yes...but specify what type of crime. For instance, Dallas had the highest violent crime rate for a long time, and even pre-schoolers in Dallas have guns.
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Violent crime, that's what type. And keep in mind that violent criminals don't need a gun to commit violence. Large men beat, strangle, stab and rape smaller women EVERY DAY ... and they don't have a chance in hell of defending themselves. But that's true with men victims too ... and seniors. Most people are non-violent ... and easy targets for violence. But even a 5 foot, 100 lb woman can successfully fend off an attacker or home invader with a handgun or shotgun.
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
The problem with that argument is that the cities that prohibit guns are also cesspools to start with. It wouldn't matter who was armed, crime would be through the roof.
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This is your baseless, fact-less, and flawed opinion. Cities and communities don't start out "cesspools" as you call them. Crime grows in areas where potential victims are deemed by criminals to be least able to defend themselves, and they shy away from a potential target that might put a bullet in their criminal rear ends.
Calling the police won't help you. Police, to a very significant degree DO NOT prevent crimes from occurring, as they are most often dispatched to crime scenes AFTER a crime has been committed. The average time it takes between a 911 call and the arrival of police to a scene is approximately 9-14 minutes ... if you actually have time to make a pone call! Just how long do you think it takes for a criminal to bust in your door or window, murder you and your family, and grab what they want on the way out?
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
Always? Every single time? Really? Right-wing conspiracy theory nuttiness.
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That's your answer? You challenge the fact that Germany disarmed the population prior to rounding up 6 Million Jews to go in the concentration camps and ovens? You challenge the fact that Stalin disarmed the population before he murdered 50 Million russian citizens?
Here's another wacky conspiracy theory for you .... right this very minute there are over 500 FEMA concentration camps (officially called relocation centers) here in the United States of Amerika ... equipped with barbed wire and electrified fences that are constructed to keep people in, rather than out. Entrance gates adjacent to railroad tracks, designed to handle large volumes of people. Who do you think these camps are designed for, and for what purpose?
You can deny the existence of these camps, but that's all it would be ... denial. They most certainly exist, and anyone can verify this, including mainstream news reports that have reported contracts granted to Halburton for construction. You can also verify the existence of massive amounts of stockpiled, multi-body coffins stored at various locations around the country.
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
Citizens in Switzerland (a gun-nuts favorite example) are required to register for even ammunition. You have to have a weapons acquisition permit to purchase a gun.
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We don't live in Switzerland, nor do I recall Switzerland engaged in military invasions around the globe, or Swiss Military stationed in 200 countries. Or the Swiss government hiring 190,000 Black Water Goons to murder women and children overseas.
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
Why don't you wake up? Do you have any idea how ridiculous it sounds for you to spew forth all these conspiracy theories?
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Nothing I've said is a theory. It is all documented fact. That you think you live in some utopian society, governed by men of the highest integrity and benevolent intentions shows just how clueless you are with regard to both history and current events.
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
You base all this off the writings of men who lived a couple hundred years ago, as if the world were exactly the same place.
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What was that quote ... those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it ... ?
I hate to break the bad news to you ... but the world is a much more dangerous place today, than it was 200 years ago. And I would contend that George W. Bush, or Barrack "insane" Obama could not begin to compare in wisdom to the likes of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Washington, or Benjamin Franklin.
There are certain wisdoms that do not change with the times, such as the quote from Lord Acton (1887) when he said "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely".
And here is another little wisdom which clearly shows the forward thinking of such men, and how applicable it still is in this NEW WORLD of yours;
Thomas Jefferson -
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
and Jefferson also said:
The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere
Times have changed. You sound like the Unabomber in his cabin in the hills, putting tin foil on your head to block out the alien signals.
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Times have changed .. that, I agree. But powerful men have not changed at all. The powerful always seek more power, and the wealthy seek more wealth, and the desire for both wealth and power hasn't changed a bit, nor have the methods used to attain them. War, and conquest is just as alive today as it was 200 years ago. The only difference today is the exponential amount of power available, and the ability to exercise that power from great distances much more rapidly.
You can spew this nonsense about unibombers and tin foil hats and little green men from mars all you want. It just shows that you have neither the intellect nor the wisdom to comprehend complex issues.
You're the perfect slave for the system, with a big VICTIM painted across your forehead. You, and those of your ilk are what has allowed this danger to grow around us ... continuously arguing pointless points about which liar should be elected ... rationalizing such nonsense as selecting the one who lies the least, or represents the lessor of evils. What shall you chose for lunch today ... here's the menu 1) crap sandwich 2) vomit smoothy .. take your pick.
Ah ... not hungry today? Well, maybe there is hope for you after all.
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