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Old 02-09-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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In effect, don't you think that be the outcome?
Nope. Do you see government ownership of all hospitals and doctors on the government payroll? No way.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Nope. Do you see government ownership of all hospitals and doctors on the government payroll? No way.
Under single payer I believe you would eventually see government take overs of clinics and hospitals.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:13 PM
 
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Under single payer I believe you would eventually see government take overs of clinics and hospitals.
Really? I've never even given it a thought. I don't think anything remotely close to that will happen. I see a single payer insurance pool and the same care providers.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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Nope. Do you see government ownership of all hospitals and doctors on the government payroll? No way.
No. I don't see that. I didn't say that, either.

Did you read the rest of my post?
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Really? I've never even given it a thought. I don't think anything remotely close to that will happen. I see a single payer insurance pool and the same care providers.
The government already has their own clinics.
They provide low-cost care on a sliding scale.
Aren't the VA hospitals owned by the government?

In any case, here is something for those who want to try to frighten people with "the government will take over health care" nonsense:


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Who will run the health care system?

There is a myth that with national health insurance the government will make the medical decisions. But in a publicly financed, universal health care system, medical decisions are left to the patient and doctor, as they should be. This is true even in the countries like the U.K. and Spain (or in U.S. systems like the VA) that have socialized medicine.
In a public system, the public has a say in how it’s run. Cost containment measures are publicly managed at the state level by elected and appointed agencies that represent the public. This agency decides on the benefit package and negotiates doctor fees and hospital budgets. It also is responsible for health planning and the distribution of expensive technology. Thus, the total budget for health care is set through a public, democratic process. But clinical decisions remain a private matter between doctor and patient.
Single-Payer FAQ | Physicians for a National Health Program
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Really? I've never even given it a thought. I don't think anything remotely close to that will happen. I see a single payer insurance pool and the same care providers.
Nope - the single payer system will try to control costs by reducing how much they will allow to be paid to providers. Those levels, like Medicare is doing now - will fall to a level that the providers cannot afford to stay in business. They will end up turning their businesses over to the government to run -

It will not happen over night - but, it will happen under the single payer system
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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Nope - the single payer system will try to control costs by reducing how much they will allow to be paid to providers. Those levels, like Medicare is doing now - will fall to a level that the providers cannot afford to stay in business. They will end up turning their businesses over to the government to run -

It will not happen over night - but, it will happen under the single payer system
Same thing is happening with our current system. A matter of fact, now that I have no insurance and paying cash instead the doctors treating my wife seem to be much more pleasant to deal with than when I had BC/BS PPO and a few others over the years.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The government already has their own clinics.
They provide low-cost care on a sliding scale.
Aren't the VA hospitals owned by the government?

In any case, here is something for those who want to try to frighten people with "the government will take over health care" nonsense:
Two things about your post:

1) It has been pointed out to you numerous times by numerous posters, that the VA system is not a good model to use as an example. That while not all VA facilities, but MANY provide very poor care - My BIL uses the VA in the Sacramento area - and it takes, on average, 4 to 5 months to see a physician. He had a procedure (surgical) on his foot - the doctor botched the job so badly that he had to undergo another procedure to correct it - and there are many other examples of this throughout the VA system. Even the POTUS has acknowledged the deficiencies.

2) As for how a single payer would work - there is no way to say with any degree of certainty - because no plan is in place. So, for you to say that it will happen in a certain and specific way is IMPOSSIBLE and very DISINGENUOUS and untruthful.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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Greatday,

The article that I mentioned in another post talks about the VA hospitals and why they are in trouble.

It is written by a medical doctor, a neuro-surgeon... someone who should know about health insurance companies, the government and health care.

Here's the link.

From the Scalpel to the Pen » The Reality: Government is Already in Healthcare

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Old 02-09-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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Health insurance companies literally make money from other people's suffering (by denying them care). The more they deny, the richer they get.

How can anyone support an industry like this? Why is it even an "industry"?
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