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Yes, but what happened to the marches? The body counts? The scathing articles in the news? Is it suddenly no longer cool to be anti-war?
Sadly, I think the anti-war fad passed with the election.
This is what confuses me. Prior to the 2008 federal election, there was an outcry about how unjust the wars were, and rightfully so. Today, outside the Occupy movement, there is no real protest about the continued wars and invasions from either side of the aisle.
When it comes to this subject, both parties are virtually the same.
these wars are continously increasing the fortunes of the investors and financiers that actually control our and most of the rest of the world's governments. We have not left Afghanistan because to leave would derail the gravy train the plutocrats depend upon for their wealth and security.
Speaking as an independent that voted for Obama....largely due to hopes of getting our troops back home, I am growing increasingly upset with the democrats that demanded the troops home and now won't do anything.
Really, are you guys so far gone into the kool-aid that this is suddenly ok? Will you consider voting against the incumbents? Voting 3rd party?
Sadly, I am having a really hard time telling that Bush has left the whitehouse right now.
Please, thoughtful responses only...I don't want to have to read the usual stupidity from the partisans around here.
What is that saying, "You can fool some of the people all of the time,,,,,,"
Being militarily minded, and thus being quite analytical regarding projection of force, I feel that Iraq was a complete strategic cluster, and Afghanistan should never have been more than a tactical operation. The US accomplished nothing in Iraq. For all the lives we lost, now we just pull out, completely? We get nothing for our blood. It would be smart, if we, at least, could put a sizable, forward air base in place, to keep Iran in check. Our oil prices should reflect our losses as well. These are just a couple things, that come to mind, but the point is, fighting for ten years should net us more than a "yankee go home". So much for strategy, of any kind. But hey, how noble our people look in those flag draped coffins.
Afghanistan should NEVER have gone this far. We should have treated it as a strictly tactical operation. Hit AlQueda and the Taliban straight in the Nads, left them writhing on the ground, after a parting foot in the face, and been home for cornflakes. We never should have put a long term ground force there.
Back to Iraq, I don't feel we should have gone in anyway. You can call it unjust, unwise, whatever, fact is, we should have saved our forces. Whatever political objective one wants to hang on the rationale behind it, it was just flat stupid.
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In the 2008 election I was under no illusion Obama would continue the war and increase its scope... same as McCain would have. The primary difference between the two is Obama is more calculating and will actually get the job done.
For me I voted for Nader as he was the one that would have ended the war. in 2012 I knew Romney was just a flag of the prevailing color and would swing anyway he had to. not a good trait for a president. Obama has done a good job on the economy and turned around what some thought was not fixable, and certainly not in a few years.
Obama is a hawk but he has accomplished something ...bin laden and al queda. Otherwise the war effort is more for some people to get richer, not for any real purpose. It is sad it hasn't ended sooner.
My preferences with Obama
he should not give into the repugs in the house
he should end the wars
he should investigate previous administration crimes
he should take down the wall street bankers and introduce them to a jail cell
he should see to it 17 seats move from r to d in the house in 2014
he should not give into the repugs in the house
he should end the wars
he should investigate previous administration crimes
he should take down the wall street bankers and introduce them to a jail cell
he should see to it 17 seats move from r to d in the house in 2014
Let's review:
1) Despite RWNJ complaints, Obama gave in on numerous items including Obamacare.
2) Surge, baby surge!
3) Never ever ever.
4) He has removed some bankers from wall street ..........and introduced them to cabinet positions.
5) In 2010 63 seats went from d to r. In 2012 the dems got back a whopping 8 seats.
I'm rather at a loss as to how you can stomach all this?
Basically, and especially with the "repugs" comment I'm at a complete loss how you voted Nader in 2008 and then after seeing 4 years of things that were 180degrees opposite of your preferences.....you then decided to vote for Obama? I mean, I can understand if you were strict party loyalist or if you voted Obama 2008 and then were ticked off and protested voted 2012....I guess I'm just baffled.
This is what confuses me. Prior to the 2008 federal election, there was an outcry about how unjust the wars were, and rightfully so. Today, outside the Occupy movement, there is no real protest about the continued wars and invasions from either side of the aisle.
When it comes to this subject, both parties are virtually the same.
Yep. Which is why I haven't voted Republican in well over a decade and regret the one time I voted Democrat in that time-period.
Wow. I had my suspcions but that's some extremely damning commentary from a gal who in my book has a lot of credibility. (She was on Bush like a bulldog and is topic interested, not partisan.)
he should not give into the repugs in the house
he should end the wars
he should investigate previous administration crimes
he should take down the wall street bankers and introduce them to a jail cell
he should see to it 17 seats move from r to d in the house in 2014
No way #5 has a shot, if #1-4 are seriously pursued.
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