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Old 03-31-2010, 09:57 PM
 
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They can say what they like. I am not saying that they can't protest (with their backward views) ... there is a time & place.

How can you think that protesting at a private mourning event is appropiate?

You know, the rights of the mourners to mourn their loved one in peace. What about their rights?
They were on public property the whole time.

Of course they have no right to protest on private property if the owners will not allow it.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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the next funeral they do this to, people should go with signs of support for the family and the fallen soldrier and stand in front of the Westboro losers.

Give 'em a taste of free speech!!
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:11 PM
 
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How can you think that protesting at a private mourning event is appropiate?
Free speech rights have nothing to do with what is or what is not appropriate.

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You know, the rights of the mourners to mourn their loved one in peace. What about their rights?
There's nothing in the Constitution that says we have a right to mourn our loved ones in peace while doing it in a public place, but we absolutely have a right to make offensive statements in a public place as long as we're not inciting violence or endangering others.

If mourners want to be free from any possibility of being interrupted or offended, they should mourn on private property in an enclosed space, like a church or a house, or any other private building. It seems like a simple solution to me.
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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the next funeral they do this to, people should go with signs of support for the family and the fallen soldrier and stand in front of the Westboro losers.

Give 'em a taste of free speech!!
Now THAT'S a good answer!
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Here
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the next funeral they do this to, people should go with signs of support for the family and the fallen soldrier and stand in front of the Westboro losers.

Give 'em a taste of free speech!!
The Patriot Guard Riders already do this (sort of).
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:54 PM
 
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The Patriot Guard Riders already do this (sort of).
Correct. Patriot Guard, Soldiers Angels, Firefighters, Law Enforcement, members of the military, and even members of the general public are all expected to be at the services in Leavenworth tomorrow where the Phelps freaks are expected to show to mock yet another funeral of one of our fallen soldiers.
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Hawaii
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President Bush signs Fallen Heros Act, threatens free speech - Ed-Op

This legislation has been amended in many states. This is how the Westboro Baptists knew how far away they had to stand to picket the funeral. It is an outrage when families cannot bury their loved one in peace.

I am surprised that no one has brought suit previously.

The Westboro Baptist Church believes that God "intentionally" kills soldiers in Iraq that are gay.

This is hate speech not free speech.

When a group of people get together and make signs to disrupt/destroy a solder's funeral there is something wrong with the people. This is hatred, not freedom.

This will go to the Supreme court soon (I hope).

O'Reilly is a patriot for stepping in and paying the second court's decision which overturned the first court that had awarded the family 6 to 11 million in damages (depending on which news you heard it on).

There is a difference between hate speech and free speech.
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:35 PM
 
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President Bush signs Fallen Heros Act, threatens free speech - Ed-Op

This legislation has been amended in many states. This is how the Westboro Baptists knew how far away they had to stand to picket the funeral. It is an outrage when families cannot bury their loved one in peace.

I am surprised that no one has brought suit previously.

The Westboro Baptist Church believes that God "intentionally" kills soldiers in Iraq that are gay.

This is hate speech not free speech.

When a group of people get together and make signs to disrupt/destroy a solder's funeral there is something wrong with the people. This is hatred, not freedom.

This will go to the Supreme court soon (I hope).

O'Reilly is a patriot for stepping in and paying the second court's decision which overturned the first court that had awarded the family 6 to 11 million in damages (depending on which news you heard it on).

There is a difference between hate speech and free speech.
As I understand it the Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case. The American Legion has filed an amicus brief on behalf of the Snyder family.
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:57 PM
 
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This is hate speech not free speech.

There is a difference between hate speech and free speech.
Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. That's why groups like the KKK have a right to assemble and parade down the street. This is considered settled law in the U.S.

Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/wo...5369.html?_r=1
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Hawaii
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Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. That's why groups like the KKK have a right to assemble and parade down the street. This is considered settled law in the U.S.

Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/wo...5369.html?_r=1
The KKK have not protested at a funeral of a fallen soldier (or have they?).

The New York Times is dying and this is not Canada. Nothing is settled.

Your link says nothing of our military and the legislation enacted to protect our fallen soldiers and the protesting at their funerals. Is there other legislation specific to how far and at what time etc... All the court will have to do is increase the amount of feet that protesters must be from the funerals (I think 72 miles should do it).

Fighting words are not protected under free speech and that's what was presented from the Westboro Baptists.

I know your not saying it's OK what they did but attempting to defend actions with constitutional law.

I believe the Supreme Court will uphold the first court's decision. Hopefully they will also increase the distance these "people" need to be away from a soldier's funerals.
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