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Old 04-17-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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It just hit me that the only tax mentioned specifically in the Constitution, by amendment, is the income tax and 47% of us don't "get" to pay that one. I guess that means that a form of theft is being used against the other 53% to be able to support the 47%. Yep, that looks like theft to me.
That just hit you, roy? Did you forget this part?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And what are your credentials?
I would say those credentials might well be left leaning.
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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It was YOU who said you dont care about what Democrats said..
I said I don't know what Democrats said. The reason I don't care was covered in the post you're replying to. You did read it?
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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That just hit you, roy? Did you forget this part?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises
That none of those taxes were direct taxes aside...

The Article specifically goes on to say precisely for what purposes said taxes could be collected...
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:43 AM
 
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That none of those taxes were direct taxes aside...

The Article specifically goes on to say precisely for what purposes said taxes could be collected...
The Supreme Court disagrees with you. The Hamiltonian position has been upheld. I understand the Jeffersonian position, and I see merit in both it and the views of Hamilton, but it's not up to me to decide which view is constitutional.

Regardless of which view is held, the claim that "ALL taxation is theft" is clearly false.
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:46 AM
 
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Fox "news" isn't news at all. It is the Republican Propaganda media arm of the neo-conservative agenda. This not just my opinion it is fact if you watch long enough to see the propaganda.
Sure while NBC, ABC,CBS, MSNBC, Public Broadcasting, and CNN all propogate the liberal agenda. Sure sounds balanced to me. At least Fox is a haven from all of the leftist BS on all of the other supposed "news" networks. Evidently others feel the same way since Fox has more viewers than ALL of the other networks combined. Fact!
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:50 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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The Supreme Court disagrees with you. The Hamiltonian position has been upheld. I understand the Jeffersonian position, and I see merit in both it and the views of Hamilton, but it's not up to me to decide which view is constitutional.

Regardless of which view is held, the claim that "ALL taxation is theft" is clearly false.
The Supreme Court is just another group of pathetic thugs who get to impose their personal agenda on everyone else.

However, government was supposed to be by the consent of the governed, so your opinion is indeed relevant. If you give no consent, it has no legitimacy.

Anyway, buried many posts ago now, I agreed that not ALL taxation is theft, but VIRTUALLY all of it is. Theft is theft. It is not a Constitutional issue at all.
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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The Supreme Court is just another group of pathetic thugs who get to impose their personal agenda on everyone else.

However, government was supposed to be by the consent of the governed, so your opinion is indeed relevant. If you give no consent, it has no legitimacy.

Anyway, buried many posts ago now, I agreed that not ALL taxation is theft, but VIRTUALLY all of it is. Theft is theft. It is not a Constitutional issue at all.
Okie-doke, irspow. The use of the word "thugs" seals it for me.

I'm glad to hear you agree that when Fox News wrote "All taxation is theft" at the bottom of the screen, it was making a false assertion.

(Do you consider Alexander Hamilton to be a thug as well? You must hate getting tens for change. "Damn thugly ten dollar bills")
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Old 04-17-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Okie-doke, irspow. The use of the word "thugs" seals it for me.

I'm glad to hear you agree that when Fox News wrote "All taxation is theft" at the bottom of the screen, it was making a false assertion.

(Do you consider Alexander Hamilton to be a thug as well? You must hate getting tens for change. "Damn thugly ten dollar bills")
I consider anyone who imposes their will through force, be it governmental force or otherwise, as a thug.
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Old 04-17-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I take it you have seen Liddy and North talking on the economic shows on Saturday morning. I have never seen them then but then only have Fox on all morning on Saturday. One of usull of it or at least talking out his a.. and it isn't me.
Who said economic shows or Saturday morning, or did you just imagine that?
Two Convicted Felons selling Gold and Hysteria
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