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Old 05-02-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Lack of borders is a great way to promote famine, ecological destruction and wide scale civilian conflict.

To test the theory, take all your doors off the hinges and let you local homeless, poor, and drug addict population know that you don't believe in borders (or doors).
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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im sorry are you saying you have never had to show id when using your credit card at a store ? cause we get asked all the time and i am surprised at the police not asking you for your license I find that hard to believe . we get asked all the time for our id when using a credit card and half the people in line have also been asked before us . and this is done in several states that I know of . Get real since 9/11 no country is free .
That's interesting. I live in AZ and I have never been asked to show ID when I use my credit card. Most of the time they don't even bother to check the signature and I wish they would. Even when I wrote on the back, "Please check ID" they didn't. I also called them on it. I do have to show ID at my bank sometimes if cashing a check. And if I were stopped by the cops I would have to. I can't think of anything else I've been asked to show it for. I worked in hotels and people were required to show their ID and credit card at check in. And for a car rental, but showing a license to rent a car just makes sense.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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eehh chickita, naw, It's more to do with a line of females waiting on paydau outside the bar. These females can't enter the bar to get their hubbies mouney and go buy chicken for dinner. If they enter the bar they get slapped down hard.

You probably treat females that way I guess. I don't allow anyone anything..

Yeah hide with yer head in the sand, it's what all libers do. You can ride bit ch with me anytime. If you play girl well enough I won't even slap you.

You know dam well what is legal from illegal, and if you don't you outta be locked up.

Really I can't wait for Amnesty so I don't need worry about law.. i guess you can whine and wring your hands as normal.
Either they bring chickens or they are trying to get a chicken dinner, which is it?

I can tell that your an exceptionally bright fellow, so I will walk you through this. What you have described is a stereotype that has been perpetuated by Hollywood. The concept is called machismo/marianismo and is derived largely from the Catholic Church (patriarchal) and is still found mostly in rural areas.

Women maintain an almost deified place as the moral/spiritual foundation of the family unit. Mary. Therefore, they keep this place by not having to negotiate with the outside world. You are raised to become mothers and you have. It is significant that machismo does not have anything to do with acting like a moron in a bar. It has to do with maintaining dignity and a forceful presence because he is the one that is negotiating and possibly making compromises with the outside world. Denying your family money to fund your bar tab will not gain you any respect. It does not give you any respect when white Anglo Americans do it, either. Domestic violence does not earn you any respect either. However, relationships and family roles have been changing as those that live in rural areas move into the cities and economic opportunities fluctuate.

Please note, that the machismo/marianismo in practice is akin to the Leave it To Beaver crowd of the 1950's. How so? There was only a specific class in the United States where women stayed home while the husband went to work. This is a very small portion of society. The vast majority does not fit into that category because both parents work. However, the ideals of dignity/respect/purity would be intact. Also, please keep in mind that the landscape has been changing for the past 40 years and many women refuse to be kept barefoot and pregnant.

To sum, you are stereotyping and sound like a racist. I know what the difference is between legal and illegal. However, we can conclude that you don't. And for all your intimidation tactics, you sound like an uneducated hill jack. I wouldn't ride with you because I do not run with trash.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Lack of borders is a great way to promote famine, ecological destruction and wide scale civilian conflict.

To test the theory, take all your doors off the hinges and let you local homeless, poor, and drug addict population know that you don't believe in borders (or doors).
Ever been in Africa, where they have borders, doors, famine, ecological destruction and wide scale civilian conflict?
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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Lack of borders is a great way to promote famine, ecological destruction and wide scale civilian conflict.

To test the theory, take all your doors off the hinges and let you local homeless, poor, and drug addict population know that you don't believe in borders (or doors).
This is totally true. There would be no government. There would be no police or any protection. Why would there be, people would be free-ranging and under no particular laws anywhere they went.

With no borders, there would be no control of anything. There would be no laws what-so-ever. People would take what they want and go where they want and do what they want. It wouldn't matter if it was against someone else's morals or rules.

If they want to kill, they would because there would be no one to have to answer to. If they wanted to rob, take what you want because there would be no laws to answer to. If they wanted to take your children and prostitute them, or molest them, they would because there would be no one to punish them.
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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People would take what they want and go where they want and do what they want. It wouldn't matter if it was against someone else's morals or rules.

If they want to kill, they would because there would be no one to have to answer to.
Do not assume that everyone would apply your own moral standards to their lives. Most people have a sense of honor and fairness, and know how to apply a morality to their lives without the necessity to have it enforced by fear of punishment.

The Holy Roman Empire was a loose assortment of city-states in which there were few fixed laws and no proper borders. Within a city, there were community standards that were enforced by social custom. The people were no more nor less "safe" than in England, which had walls and oceans for boundaries and a king's law.

It is severely troubling to me to think that you would kill me or steal my belongings on a whim, if there was no-one you had to answer to. You're the only person I know who would do that. Everyone else I know, knows right from wrong and applies it to their lives, even when the police are looking the other way.

On three different occasions, in South America, I have seen incidents in which a thief grabbed something and ran, only to be set upon by witnesses to ran after him, beat him severely, and returned the stolen goods to their rightful owners. People can and do behave according to civilized morality, without borders to dictate their moral codes to them.

Can you imagine a country letting people "go where they want and do what they want" even if it was against someone else's morals? The very idea!!.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Ever been in Africa, where they have borders, doors, famine, ecological destruction and wide scale civilian conflict?
Yes, I have been in Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Sudan and Nigeria. A major source of conflict in Africa stems from huge scale refugee movements across unenforceable borders.

What's your point?
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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Yeah when amnesty comes I plan to start up with slavery again... Why not?
I'll be waiting to put the chains on you!
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Old 05-03-2010, 05:49 PM
 
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I'll be waiting to put the chains on you!
Yer free to try... You'ld have better luck in Valhalia.
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Old 05-03-2010, 05:55 PM
 
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Pandamonium, Everyone white, black yellow red are all racist... Your a racist, I am a racist and old 88 is a racist.. Every man, women and child of any race is a racist. It always has been and always will be.

I don't care where you go in the world where hispanic peoples are, and there are bars you will see women standing outside them on pay day.I have no real idea why that is, but it just is. I saw it in Salem Mass, I saw it in Texas I saw it in Caliland too.... I saw it in PR as well...

I am not catholic never was, and have no idea what they do... If you ask me they eat chips and drink wine in Sunday, and have made something iof a ritual of doing that, but I don't care to know why that is.. It ain't none of my bee's wax either.
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