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Originally Posted by Frozenyo
I was wondering where the Tea-Party was during Bush 2's 8 year spending spree. The Tea-Party began to form rapidly once Obama was elected and was ready to protest less than 3 months after he took office. It's strange that Bush doubled the deficit+ and created a peice of legislation that directly infringes on freedom in the Patriot Act but no Tea-Party/mass conservative whining as there is today. Is the TP just a group of people that mobolize to whine about whatever a Democratic President does? Will their be a TP if and when a republican ever wins the White House or will they return to wherever they go and again remain silent?
Bush was a white Republican. He could do no wrong.
It's due to everything that Obama said during the campaign. A lot of the people who didn't have a "thrill up thier leg" actually heard what Obama was saying.
1) "Fundamentally change America". Nobody asked what he wanted to change America into. People who paid attention actually knew what he was saying, due to his radical past and radical associations.
2) "It's time to give the wealth back to its rightful owners". Who are the rightful owners? People who paid attention knew that he wanted wealth redistribution.
3) "Under a cap and trade system, energy prices will neccesarily skyrocket". That means for everyone. Even you people making under $250 thousand per year.
Those three statements scared the hell out of the people who were listening. That is where the Tea Party movement started.
It was to be a short lived movement started April 15th, 2009 with a bunch of cranks about any sort of taxation was bad.
After the pundits like Beck and Palin saw it as a grass roots movement to fund, it was a great way to grab all the loonies who were really pissed into one bunch and point them to their opposition. Who needs well crafted arguments and intelligence, when you can back extremists just looking for like minded nuts. Just ignore the negative PR from asking ex-KKK members to speak or conspiracy theorists, that's just misrepresentation by the enemy. The extremists don't care about little stuff like bad rep.
Apparently taxation without representation is so much like taxation with representation, it stuck.
I was wondering where the Tea-Party was during Bush 2's 8 year spending spree. The Tea-Party began to form rapidly once Obama was elected and was ready to protest less than 3 months after he took office. It's strange that Bush doubled the deficit+ and created a peice of legislation that directly infringes on freedom in the Patriot Act but no Tea-Party/mass conservative whining as there is today. Is the TP just a group of people that mobolize to whine about whatever a Democratic President does? Will their be a TP if and when a republican ever wins the White House or will they return to wherever they go and again remain silent?
I'm surprised that they didn't protest the "wasteful spending" of our tax dollars building schools and highways in Iraq.
I was wondering where the Tea-Party was during Bush 2's 8 year spending spree. The Tea-Party began to form rapidly once Obama was elected and was ready to protest less than 3 months after he took office. It's strange that Bush doubled the deficit+ and created a peice of legislation that directly infringes on freedom in the Patriot Act but no Tea-Party/mass conservative whining as there is today. Is the TP just a group of people that mobolize to whine about whatever a Democratic President does? Will their be a TP if and when a republican ever wins the White House or will they return to wherever they go and again remain silent?
It's true the Bush started the whole mess, but Obama increased it two or three folds instead of changing it for the better. That said, the same people now called Tea Partiers probably have been there all along, except that they didn't call themselves such, nor where they able to create waves like they now can.
I could be wrong, but once a lot of independent voters figured that Bush wasn't necessarily a conservative, most voted for Obama as a symbol of a vote against Bush. Tea Partiers aren't just Republican, but conservative Democrats, Republicans, and independents. In general, people who are fed-up with both the Republicans and the Democrats.
In my view, the Tea Party movement can only be good for America. Another political party would never be as good as an independent group of voters uniting to vote-out of office corrupt politicians, while at the same time holding to the fire the feet of the new politicians.
By the way, the only reason why I gave my opinion on this subject was because you were very polite by saying "Tea Partiers" instead of the derogatory term, "teabaggers" some of the children in this forum refer to.
Frozenyo like so many progs just can't understand that the Stimulus and the bailouts caused the Tea Party to organize. They are convinced that all the group wants is to get rid of Obama because he is black. They have convinced themselves that it is all racial. It is too bad that they accept that crap from the progressive side of the Dem party.
...You mean that stimulus that's creating over 3 million jobs when the market were losing 8 million and kept state and local governments from having to make massive cuts into police, fire, and education? Now that the funding is coming to an end, we're seeing just how valuable they were in keeping our society stable and how misguided the Tea Partiers really were in their outright opposition (though, certainly spending could have been done more efficiently in many instances).
As the economy continues to recover, the wisdom of Obama's and Bush's policies regarding the bailouts and stimulus (including billions in tax credits) will continue to prove themselves as the wise path for that particular time and the Tea Party will lose its mainstream members.
That said - having a vocal opposition movement, especially when 1 party controls all branches, is valuable for keeping them in check.
Frozenyo like so many progs just can't understand that the Stimulus and the bailouts caused the Tea Party to organize. They are convinced that all the group wants is to get rid of Obama because he is black. They have convinced themselves that it is all racial. It is too bad that they accept that crap from the progressive side of the Dem party.
Roy, of all people don't speak for me. Bush passed the first bailout, NO tea-party protest. The problem remains Roy, Bush supported the things that the teaparty claims to be against but they did NO protesting of Bush. This lends credibility to those that view the teaparty as being motivated by racial fear and hatred.
During the Bush years I was just as pissed off as I am right now, I was speaking out against the insane needless spending and the irrational wars that Bush started. I was protesting the ignorance of the Bush White House and anyone who supported the idiot on his quest to bring peace to a region of the world that will NEVER be at peace.
Where are you now? People like you were wanting Bush strung up for starting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. You claim that everything wrong with the planet today should be blamed on Bush yet Obama has done a lot of things exactly the same. Obama hasn't ended wars you hate yet you sit quietly and support him. Obama promised more transparency than the previous administration and he's done the exact opposite, you hated the secretive Bush admin and you say nothing about Obama doing the same thing.
I know exactly where I was for the Bush years, Where are you now?
It's due to everything that Obama said during the campaign. A lot of the people who didn't have a "thrill up thier leg" actually heard what Obama was saying.
1) "Fundamentally change America". Nobody asked what he wanted to change America into. People who paid attention actually knew what he was saying, due to his radical past and radical associations.
2) "It's time to give the wealth back to its rightful owners". Who are the rightful owners? People who paid attention knew that he wanted wealth redistribution.
3) "Under a cap and trade system, energy prices will neccesarily skyrocket". That means for everyone. Even you people making under $250 thousand per year.
Those three statements scared the hell out of the people who were listening. That is where the Tea Party movement started.
Please provide a like to Obama saying: It's time to give wealth back to its rightful owners. Thats total BS. Provide link where Obama said he wants to fundamentally change America. Again more BS..#3 is BS as well.
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