Complete Hypocrisy? (about smoking) (Portland: home, college, versus)

[Leisesturm]

Originally Posted by Dual Citizen CA-OR

And I don’t know why this kept popping into my head as I was reading this thread, but I was also surprised at the large percentage of men who don’t wash their hands after using the restroom…

I can't say I've noticed, but, as long as none of them are going back into a kitchen afterwards and getting up close and personal with the eggplant that is going to be my entree, "live and let live. At least they are saving water. What, may I ask is up with using the faucet in a public restroom and leaving without turning off the water?? In some offices it is literally hours before someone like me (someone who gives a damn) will turn it off. I've come into restrooms and I see the water running away and I'm looking at the guy in there and he's like "it was like that when I came in..." You can, like use a paper towel to hold the faucet handle if you really can't handle the idea of handling a faucet a stranger touched.

Some of the smokers in this thread make absolutely ridiculous arguments to support their point of view. When you start questioning the use of metal and carbon fiber to make bicycles your argument is so far into la la land it is no longer an argument. I am over 50 years old now. It has been at least 25 years since I have bothered to say anything of any consequence to anyone that smokes. Certainly in the more than two years I have been here the argument has not come up. I did not start this thread but I couldn't help but notice how defensive the smokers were getting. That is the only reason I got involved in it. Beyond that, I really don't care. I don't smoke and neither does my partner.

For decades pro-smoker opinions held sway and millions died as a result. Now there is a growing backlash against the use of cigarettes in public. With good reason. FACT: We would ALL be better off if no one smoked. The air quality of this state, of this country is affected by the presence of so much burning tobacco in the atmosphere. My bicycle's impact on the environment is much less than your Honda Accord's impact and you smoke to boot. Where does a smoker that also drives get the chutzpa to talk smack about a non-smoking cyclist or pedestrian? At least no one has yet tried to argue that smoking cigarettes is actually a good thing to do.

[BrownRice]

Originally Posted by Dual Citizen CA-OR

As an ex-smoker myself (1-2 packs a day for 24 years) second hand smoke doesn’t really bother me, but having moved here relatively recently, I have to generally agree with the OP. I was amazed at the number of smokers here at work and on the street.

And I don’t know why this kept popping into my head as I was reading this thread, but I was also surprised at the large percentage of men who don’t wash their hands after using the restroom…

Thank you, for your civil post.

@puerco; schoolin' people left and right. Hahah.

And thank you, Leisesturm. That's what I was getting at in 2 earlier posts; my further surprise at how many people were offended/upset when the ban came into effect.

[BrownRice]

Originally Posted by lawmomma

Uggg [facepalms]- you missed the point entirely, and in fact further proved it. Since when is public transportation not a vehicle? And I didn't say "excessive" cleaning products, or "regular" paint usage. The fact that you have to qualify your usage shows that you still use pollutants yourself albeit occasionally. My point was that if you are so burdened with the occasional whiff of a smokers' fumes that you believe their rights are inferior to your own, then then I am surprised that you are not advocating for the demise of all other sources of pollution as well. But, you can somehow manage to choke down the occasional fumes when they serve a purpose that suits your needs. So, in that case, you believe YOUR right to pollute (when it's an activity YOU value) is superior to others' rights to fresh air, but when you are the burdened breather, YOUR right to fresh air is superior to others' rights to pollute. So basically, you think YOUR rights, in general, are superior to others.

And no, I didn't "try my darnedest" to offend you. It's clear you couldn't care less about how other people feel, and I know enough about your type than to even try to rile your cool, calm, righteous demeanor. In fact, if the stereotype holds true, you're probably quite proud of your lack of empathy. Congrats on that.

I know you tried your darndest when you made 2 posts and about 4 paragraphs worth of your invalid argument.

Should I use chemical cleaning products (which I honestly rarely do, hahah), I'm not forcing you to inhale them when you walk by, am I?

Judging by your idiotic posts, you've probably been inhaling them regularly anyway.

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

Well all the cool and hip people here smoke all natural American Spirit Cigarettes.
They are so awesomely cool and natural they counteract any health negatives about smoking.

If some anti-smoking zealot sees you smoking, they'll never in a million years ask: Are you smoking one of those natural tobacco, minus-the-chemicals
American Spirit cigarettes? I roll my own with pure tobacco, have been for 8 years (can't deal with store-bought cigarettes anymore), and when they see me puffing away, what will cross through their infinitesimal minds?

And my roommate, he smokes one cigarette every day, after his quart of beer, and if some witch-hunter just happens to see him smoke that one cigarette? And my highly disciplined friend who smokes one cigarette after each meal? Crammed into the same boat with everyone else!

As long as irresponsible posters don't insert the words May Be before saying:
Cigarette smoking or second-hand smoke is (may be) detrimental to anyone's health, I'll continue to do all I can to set the record straight!

Bluesmama: Rolling my own, I'm still only paying $1-$1.50 a pack.

[puerco]

Originally Posted by Leisesturm

At least no one has yet tried to argue that smoking cigarettes is actually a good thing to do.

They have now:

"If some anti-smoking zealot sees you smoking, they'll never in a million years ask: Are you smoking one of those natural tobacco, minus-the-chemicals
American Spirit cigarettes? I roll my own with pure tobacco, have been for 8 years (can't deal with store-bought cigarettes anymore), and when they see me puffing away, what will cross through their infinitesimal minds?

And my roommate, he smokes one cigarette every day, after his quart of beer, and if some witch-hunter just happens to see him smoke that one cigarette? And my highly disciplined friend who smokes one cigarette after each meal? Crammed into the same boat with everyone else!

As long as irresponsible posters don't insert the words May Be before saying:
Cigarette smoking or second-hand smoke is (may be) detrimental to anyone's health, I'll continue to do all I can to set the record straight!"

[Bluesmama]

Originally Posted by tijlover

As long as irresponsible posters don't insert the words May Be before saying:
Cigarette smoking or second-hand smoke is (may be) detrimental to anyone's health, I'll continue to do all I can to set the record straight!

Puerco's quote: As long as irresponsible posters don't insert the words May Be before saying:
Cigarette smoking or second-hand smoke is (may be) detrimental to anyone's health, I'll continue to do all I can to set the record straight!"

You'd better run, tijlover! The "gods" are out to get'cha!


This thread is starting to acquire some real merriment.

[tijlover]

How many people have enlisted their entire lives to researchers, and died as a result of it? Research is ever-ever-changing, never static, nothing is ever cast in stone.

How many times has the FDA approved some drug, endorsed by researchers, and oops! something flew under the radar screen! Certain side effects detrimental to various users!

At one time, they thought it was safe, testing all those atomic weapons in the Nevada desert and what a fiasco that was. Two noted movies stars, filming in a location in southern Utah, during the 50's, paid a dear price for that, not enough research.

In a recent Time magazine, new researchs show teetolers living shorter lives than moderate drinkers. And after I had thrown all my shot glasses into the trash!

Researchers have ego's like everyone else. If some researcher has come up with pain-staking research over the years, it's published, and torn apart by other researchers, naturally, they're going to strike back, every chance they get as they may have destroyed the work of their lifetime.

God bless the pain-staking efforts of researchers.

Don't throw those ashtrays out just yet!

[philwithbeard]

I dislike second-hand cigarette smoke because I quit cigarette smoking about 12 years ago, after about 25 years of cigarette smoking, and the smell of second-hand smoke will sometimes trigger a renewed craving attack to resume my old habit. It is the effort I have to expend to quell my own personal devil that makes me upset, which I take out on those who produce the second-hand smoke. It really isn't personal to your smokers.

However, I am so grateful that in Portland, the only place I have found that sells two magazines that I enjoy are sold in Rick's Tobacco and Magazine store down on SE 9th and SE Alder. The aroma and luxurious ambience of that store with its high end cigars and connoisseur grade pipe tobacco is a wonderful pleasure I have. All that is missing is the smell of fine cognac misted into the air. No urge to purchase and smoke any of these products, but still enjoy the smell of cured tobacco. I of course cannot purchase or use such products. However, I can browse the magazines, and then walk out the door and have the aroma of fine cured tobacco on my clothes for up to 3 blocks. Just ain't in the same class as cigarette smoker's clothing; and yes, it is hypocritical to enjoy the smell of un-smoked fine cured tobacco products, and then also totally dislike cigarette smoke smell. But there you are.

IMO, best magazine store in town.

Phil

[puerco]

[quote=Bluesmama;16145821]
You'd better run, tijlover! The "gods" are out to get'cha![quote]
I thought the 'gods' were the all-powerful ones. The only ones that have any power when it comes to smoking are the smokers.

[TDNY]

Originally Posted by Leisesturm

I can't say I've noticed, but, as long as none of them are going back into a kitchen afterwards and getting up close and personal with the eggplant that is going to be my entree, "live and let live. At least they are saving water.

Yes, by directly helping to spread viruses and bacteria they aren't affecting others.