I'm proud of Portland AND Occupy Portland (unemployment, income)

[ccjarider]

Originally Posted by hamellr

It seems to me that the main message of OWS is not "give us lots of money," but rather "Get Corporations out of Government." I'm personally including Union Groups and other special interests in that list, although I'm sure OWS in general isn't.

When Corporations throw large amounts of money at Government Officials, and the will of the majority of "the people" is violated, you know something is wrong. When Corporations spend millions of dollars to influence public votes for relatively minor issues, you know something is wrong. When Corporations spend millions to change EPA regulations, instead of cleaning up their mess, you know something is wrong. When Corporations cut worker hours to get around providing Federally Mandated health care, and then provide brochures on how to get "free" public health care in the local communities, you know something is wrong.

No, no no!
What your examples point to are excessive and intrusive attempts by bureaucrats and government to insert their agenda into others business and life, not visa versa.

There seems to be a slant with most of the posters on this site:
Gov't regulation is good unless proven bad and,
Private enterprise is bad, unless proven good.

I would contend that for the vast majority of people, the opposite is true.

[Dual Citizen CA-OR]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

No, no no!
What your examples point to are excessive and intrusive attempts by bureaucrats and government to insert their agenda into others business and life, not visa versa.

There seems to be a slant with most of the posters on this site:
Gov't regulation is good unless proven bad and,
Private enterprise is bad, unless proven good.

I would contend that for the vast majority of people, the opposite is true.

I would contend that it's only a vast majority of conservatives who have a problem with financial, health and safety regulations.

[pdxMIKEpdx]

There seems to be a slant with most of the posters on this site:
Gov't regulation is good unless proven bad and,
Private enterprise is bad, unless proven good.

I would contend that it's only a vast majority of conservatives who have a problem with financial, health and safety regulations.

Drivel. Makes as much sense as this (which I found on another CD forum discussing OP):

[ramedud]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

Drivel. Makes as much sense as this (which I found on another CD forum discussing OP):

I guess that comic depends on which channel you're watching.

Almost looks like something from Jack Chick.

[makeitagreatday]

...than you might as well admit that you enjoy watching filtered and skewed news because it makes you feel like a good American (and unable to think on your own).

[ramedud]

Originally Posted by makeitagreatday

...than you might as well admit that you enjoy watching filtered and skewed news because it makes you feel like a good American (and unable to think on your own).

Fun read:

Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News: Study

There's a reason why congress is constantly cutting the education budget.

FY11 DoE Budget: $71 billion
FY11 DoD Budget: $549 billion

No wonder corporations are getting away with all this. We're too dumb as a country to realize what a lobbyist is.

[pdxMIKEpdx]

That isn't even on the level of bizarreness that is a ChickTract.
Read one:
The Awful Truth


Try this, make believe the cartoon isn't captioned.
What would you "independent" thinkers say of it then?
Honestly, who had the better approach and managed to make it to a level that had impact, whether you agreed with it or not?
Maybe they haven't really accomplished anything concrete, but they are in a position where they can, if they do it right.

Occupy Portland's momentum has pretty much died, just like most of the other Occupy movements, because they haven't the "fill in the blank".
BTW, If you have already made up your mind as to my stance on the Occupy movement. and think I am totally against it... please read or reread my posts in this thread.

As far as the cartoon goes, did that come from Fox News?
That's not where I found it.
Also, please tell me what news you watch or read that isn't "filtered and skewed" so I can watch or read it too.
Please don't tell me you don't watch any news, or not let whatever news you watch influence your decisions, 'cause that is just silly.
There is no such thing as pure objectiveness in the "news" arena.
What superpowered credentials do you have that you can decide for the rest of us what news is "filtered and skewed"?

I'd love to get it right like you have...
Please give us a real opinion, not some canned "anti-Fox News crap" that anybody can spout to make themselves look like they know what they are talking about but in reality means absolutely nothing.


And as far as the DoD budget, get out of your koombaya fantasy land and look at what is actually going on in this world.
Too bad this world isn't as simple as many would like it to be.
Like I said before, man's basic nature is not to promote peace with our fellow man, it's to make war to protect what is considered "ours" and to take from the next guy if we can.
If we didn't protect our own we wouldn't have a country to call our own.
But I totally agree with Eisenhower's warning.
Something that might be interesting to find out about the education budget would be the percentage of control and expense that the individual States have concerning education costs versus that of the Federal government.
Maybe there's more to that number than just an out of context black and white, side by side comparison?




And for the record I AM NOT rich, employed by a big corporation, conservative, liberal, a jingoist, a trust funder, a propagandist or somebody that takes FOX news at face value.

[ramedud]

This ties in with my last post.

This is where critical thinking skills come in. Most people don't have these skills because they never bothered to learn them in high school; and even if they did they didn't retain any of it. Kind of like the folks who say "Yeah I took 5 years of Spanish in HS, don't know a lick of it though. Como ays tahh???"

Education is terrible in our country, and this is reflected in the majority of Americans who just aren't critical thinkers. All the cable and syndicated networks are well aware of this, and are making a killing because of it. People gobble it up because "I heard it on tv, so it must be true!" Why do you think advertising works so well? Coke spends millions every year, yet people still continue to drink the same toxic stuff year after year. Copious doses of HFCS and artificial colors. Early Type 2 diabetes, anyone?

Our attention span is so short-lived we really do gobble up whatever the next talking head says; regardless of news medium. The premise is ridiculous, but yes, I think it's that bad in the United States of Amnesia.

In the end a non-thinking mind is a clinically dead mind. It's really up to you to have an educated perspective, and decide what's truth and what isn't.

PS- The link I posted isn't "some canned anti-Fox News crap'", lol. Only if it were that simple! It was an actual statistical study based on sample populations representing Fox News viewers and those who don't watch news. I'm fairly certain outliers were eliminated to prevent skewed results (not that it would have helped, lol).

[davemess10]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

Also, please tell me what news you watch or read that isn't "filtered and skewed" so I can watch or read it too.

The Week Magazine: Political News and Cartoons, Current Events and Entertainment Online

Check it out, it's probably the most balanced thing out there (as it is a collection of over 300 media sources from all over the world).

[ramedud]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

And as far as the DoD budget, get out of your koombaya fantasy land and look at what is actually going on in this world.
Too bad this world isn't as simple as many would like it to be.
Like I said before, man's basic nature is not to promote peace with our fellow man, it's to make war to protect what is considered "ours" and to take from the next guy if we can.
If we didn't protect our own we wouldn't have a country to call our own.
But I totally agree with Eisenhower's warning.

So fight more and get dumb? Doesn't sound too good.

PS- I got your message pdxMIKEpdx, no offense intended.

PPS- This is my favorite Chick tract parody