Tuition Equality for Illegal Immigrants?! Let's Discuss (law, bill)

[emathias]

Originally Posted by indieco

No it doesn't, I never said it did. The law says it's the job of law enforcement to track down criminals. They should not even get the opportunity to apply to college. Not my opinion necessarily, but the law is the law unless you change it.

Yep, and it was people like you who turned in run-away slaves in the South or run-away Jews in Nazi Germany.

"Not my opinion necessarily, but it's the Law, so who cares if it's actually the right thing to do."

[Steve Pickering]

Originally Posted by emathias

Yep, and it was people like you who turned in run-away slaves in the South or run-away Jews in Nazi Germany.

"Not my opinion necessarily, but it's the Law, so who cares if it's actually the right thing to do."

It's an Oregon issue right now, and your comments are not only offensive, they are out of context with the issue.

[Steve Pickering]

Originally Posted by emathias

And a rational response to that is "ever heard of civil disobedience"?

A lot of just things have been illegal in the history of this country and it's the right (some might even say duty) of those who object on moral grounds to ignore, circumvent, subvert and seek official change to those laws which are unjust.

This is about a violation of Immigration law. There is nothing unjust about it. To be part of "Cival Disobedience" you must first be "Civil". That means a "Citizen". A "Legal Citizen".

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by Steve Pickering

This is about a violation of Immigration law. There is nothing unjust about it. To be part of "Cival Disobedience" you must first be "Civil". That means a "Citizen". A "Legal Citizen".

It's not Oregon's immigration law. The only requirement for Oregon residency is that you live here. That makes you a resident. For the purposes of college tuition, there are other considerations. You can read about them here:

Oregon State University Online Catalog - Residency Requirements

They are in the process of changing 580-010-0040.

If you want to enforce immigration law, I suggest you talk to the federal INS about it. The State of Oregon selectively enforces immigration laws, in that if someone is arrested for a crime, they will turn them over to the INS for deportation. The only way the feds can force the state to do something is by threatening to withhold funding, which they won't do in this case. They had a cow when Arizona started enforcing immigration.

Oregon was never part of Mexico, so we don't feel much threatened by brown skinned Spanish speakers, particularly the ones in college. For my money, the further the state stays from the federal immigration mess, the better. I think they are doing a sensible thing.

[oregonwoodsmoke]

Originally Posted by emathias

And a rational response to that is "ever heard of civil disobedience"?

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Civil disobedience is all well and fine, but those who want to protest with civil disobedience should be willing to accept the consequences, not expect to be lavishly rewarded for breaking the law.

Non citizens who are not legal residents want to break the US law and enter the country illegal. I don't even know how that counts as civil disobedience, since they are not legal residents. But lets give them the civil disobedience label.

They should be prepared to accept the consequences of their civil disobedience, which is being deported. Not expect to be rewarded with a free education, in-state tuition, free medical, and food stamps.

[EnricoV]

Originally Posted by Steve Pickering

This is about a violation of Immigration law. There is nothing unjust about it. To be part of "Cival Disobedience" you must first be "Civil". That means a "Citizen". A "Legal Citizen".

I'm sorry. Where in the immigration law does it say "thou shalt not offer in-state tuition to illegal immigrants to your state universities."

It's a college tuition issue. Not an immigration issue.

[Steve Pickering]

Enrico, I suspect you are somewhat biased.

Being illegal is an immigration issue. The state not enforcing the laws on the books is another issue. The feel good politicians in Portland and Lane County are a pox on Oregon.

[Leisesturm]

This might be a good time to repeat the fact that the individuals in question are not technically illegal immigrants. Their parents are. They were minor children subject to the authority of their parents at the time of their illegal entry into the U.S. I get that the anonymity afforded by the discussion forum medium allows for a freer expression than otherwise but, really... is it truly necessary to be so ugly about things? Can't adults that can successfully navigate the other intricacies of modern America get their heads around the shades of gray of this issue?

[EnricoV]

Originally Posted by Steve Pickering

Enrico, I suspect you are somewhat biased.

Being illegal is an immigration issue. The state not enforcing the laws on the books is another issue. The feel good politicians in Portland and Lane County are a pox on Oregon.

Biased? In what way? Because I have an opinion, and it doesn't agree with yours? Where's the bias?

Ah ... unless you're assuming I'm Hispanic. Which I'm not. It's just a user name. And if that's the case, shame on you for making assumptions. Especially ethnically/racially motivated one.
My family arrived on these shores in the early 1600s. The last one straggled in in 1842. I'm a genealogist. Believe me, I know my heritage.

Is that American enough for you? Now can I have an opinion?

[oregonwoodsmoke]

Originally Posted by EnricoV

Ah ... unless you're assuming I'm Hispanic. Which I'm not. It's just a user name.

Truthfully, I assumed that you are an opera fan.. Hispanic never crossed my mind.