Gun owners in the Portland area? (Clackamas, Oakland: crime, neighborhoods, buyer)

[SETabor]

Originally Posted by mbell75

There was just a guy with a rifle walking thru a mall shooting innocent people there a mere 9 months ago. That doesnt happen in most other cities. Granted that was an isolated incident but it goes to show that you never do know. I prefer to be safe then sorry. I did live in Tigard for 2 years back in 97, so Im pretty familiar with the lifestyle but that was 15 years ago.

That was Clackamas. It's good then that it's easy and straightforward to get a CC there. Although people in the mall with guns didn't use them when the guy was shooting so their use as a deterrent or defensive weapon seems limited in such a circumstance.

[VTHokieFan]

Originally Posted by mbell75

One of the main reasons I am leaving southern CA is because of these anti 2nd amendment senators shoving their gun control agendas on every one with new laws sure to pass soon. Areas in and around Portland also seem very liberal but looking over the gun laws, they dont seem as hell bent on taking rights away from law abiding gun owners. I realize they just made it illegal to open carry in Portland but you can still carry concealed. So for those of you who own guns up there and go shooting, whats the situation like? Is it still a gun friendly state for the most part or do you see it becoming anti gun like California soon?

It's still a gun friendly state for the most part and will likely remain that way. The Oregon constitution states "The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence (sic) of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power[.]"

Portland cannot supercede the State Constitution.

[AndyAMG]

I didn't find owning a gun here any more difficult than in Arizona. Although, open carrying in Oregon is legal with a CC, I wouldn't try it. No different from AZ really, people get nervous, and after seeing some of the dirt merchants that open carry in AZ I can see why..are they really law abiding citizens? Some of them don't look it. I think you are always better of concealed. Open carry is not permitted in Portland and some other cities but as far as I know most mid valley cities don't prohibit open carry. I don't think Milwaukie, Gresham or Hillsboro do either.

These guys here have the 411. go to the FAQ.
Oregon's Only No Compromise Gun Lobby - Oregon Firearms Federation

Portland cannot supercede the State Constitution.

Be careful saying this, especially the wording...... As its mostly wrong.

Within Portland and other cities they can "regulate" loaded firearms in "public places". law gets murky even if you have a CHL.

Check OFF and familiarize your self with the law, print it out, carry it in your car.

[hml1976]

Originally Posted by mbell75

One of the main reasons I am leaving southern CA is because of these anti 2nd amendment senators shoving their gun control agendas on every one with new laws sure to pass soon. Areas in and around Portland also seem very liberal but looking over the gun laws, they dont seem as hell bent on taking rights away from law abiding gun owners. I realize they just made it illegal to open carry in Portland but you can still carry concealed. So for those of you who own guns up there and go shooting, whats the situation like? Is it still a gun friendly state for the most part or do you see it becoming anti gun like California soon?

I have found Oregon and even more so Washington, to be gun friendly states. Portland is not the entire region.

[scottinpdx]

Originally Posted by SETabor

That was Clackamas. It's good then that it's easy and straightforward to get a CC there. Although people in the mall with guns didn't use them when the guy was shooting so their use as a deterrent or defensive weapon seems limited in such a circumstance.

There was a guy at the Clackamas mall with a CC. He did not fire at the shooter because of the people running behind the shooter.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by hml1976

I have found Oregon and even more so Washington, to be gun friendly states. Portland is not the entire region.

There's a big divide between urban and rural. City dwellers don't have anything to shoot at but each other. On a farm, a gun is just another tool, like a shovel.

[pdxMIKEpdx]

That is true.

When you get out of that weird cocoon that exists in the population centers of the Willamette Valley, people tend to think about guns rationally instead of emotionally.

[psichick]

I started doing some research when I moved up here. I can't recall exactly what I read, so I'm generalizing. But I recall reading how the laws are different in different counties (or was it cities). So if you can CC in one county, cross the line, you could be doing something illegal now. Or carry your gun one way in a car, go across a line and oops, illegal.

I found this site awhile back. Lots of good info. Read up.

I just did a quick skim of the FAQ I posted above. I think it's the City of Portland that has different laws. Anyhow, great info on the site. Read it. And if anything I said is wrong, just ignore me.

[(*)]

Originally Posted by mbell75

There was just a guy with a rifle walking thru a mall shooting innocent people there a mere 9 months ago. That doesnt happen in most other cities. Granted that was an isolated incident but it goes to show that you never do know. I prefer to be safe then sorry. I did live in Tigard for 2 years back in 97, so Im pretty familiar with the lifestyle but that was 15 years ago.

After Clackamas then, should society's response be to put even more guns on the street? Is a heavily armed society more or less prone to use their weapons?

When statistics from the heavily-armed US are compared with other countries, our murder and crime rates are higher - FAR higher. I can understand how people feel worried about the violence and want to defend themselves, but the news proves to us every day that arming ourselves is not the way to a safer society.

The question then remains, what is?

[ccjarider]

* - your question assumes one part equals the other.

It is overly simplistic to consider volume of firearms as a key statistic when evaluating causes of violence.

Violence against one another is caused many things including by lack of moral compass, different cultural values and a myriad of dysfunction brought on the great society movement of Lyndon Johnson.

No other country is as culturally diverse as the USA, so comparisons are no good.
Most of the violent crime in USA is committed in black communites by blacks killing other blacks.

99% of America is law abiding and lives by decent values. There is no reason to take away the rights of many in an attempt to fix the problems of the few.

We are way off topic now though.