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I wouldn't bet on that. I didn't think that the Republicans would win any of the special elections that were held since Trump took office yet they did, all of them, and in spite of a hostile news media. The Democrats may be okay on the left coasts. But they're losing in flyover country (that's us). Thank God for the electoral college otherwise California and New York would be selecting our president. Fortunately for the GOP, Pelosi, Waters, Schumer, Warren, Harris, Wasserman Schultz, Perez and their ilk have poll numbers worse than Trump especially in flyover country.
Trump won because of independents in PA, OH and MI. Many who dont usually vote. I voted for him. He will never win again, if he even runs again which I doubt. Some of his base is starting to regret already. Approval rates in general are tanking. It was a perfect storm in 2016. Running against just about the worst candidate ever in Clinton and with a message that was a good sell at the time.
I had hoped once he won hed put his head down and work. But he doesnt want to do that. He is what hes always been. So now we will remain like this....getting nothing done while controlling everything. That will sink the GOP for some time. As you mention tho the only saving grace is that the left is as whacked as ever. Right now they have nobody on the horizon that is a good candidate. They are bringing Biden back from the dead.
but overall this was the GOPs chance to change course and they failed like only the GOP can. I think all this opens the gates for a moderate independent. Not a libertarian. They go too far with their beliefs just like the two main parties do.
If I had to bet money on a guess this far out, id put money on Mark Cuban running as a independent and having a good shot at winning. Somebody that is a social liberal and fiscal conservative. Like most of the country is now.
Trump won because of independents in PA, OH and MI. Many who dont usually vote. I voted for him. He will never win again, if he even runs again which I doubt. Some of his base is starting to regret already. Approval rates in general are tanking. It was a perfect storm in 2016. Running against just about the worst candidate ever in Clinton and with a message that was a good sell at the time.
I had hoped once he won hed put his head down and work. But he doesnt want to do that. He is what hes always been. So now we will remain like this....getting nothing done while controlling everything. That will sink the GOP for some time. As you mention tho the only saving grace is that the left is as whacked as ever. Right now they have nobody on the horizon that is a good candidate. They are bringing Biden back from the dead.
but overall this was the GOPs chance to change course and they failed like only the GOP can. I think all this opens the gates for a moderate independent. Not a libertarian. They go too far with their beliefs just like the two main parties do.
If I had to bet money on a guess this far out, id put money on Mark Cuban running as a independent and having a good shot at winning. Somebody that is a social liberal and fiscal conservative. Like most of the country is now.
Trump has faced resistance both externally and internally from his own party. The news media is doing a 24/7 hit job on him with the idea of even if their claims are false they will wear down the base with the constant barrage. Trump has been successful in some things and he is only like 7 months in. I expect some major disruptions but once those are finished I think you are going to Trump start hammering through his pro American agenda. Perhaps I drink the cool aid. Perhaps I'm more informed about his base than most. Maybe both...
I'll stop there because that isn't really what this thread is about.
Would you guys vote to reduce the taxes of your area if on a petition for a ballot in the fall?
Having lived in New York, one of thee most expensive places to live in the country. I can't complain about the cost of living here in Arizona. But governments being governments and politicians are what they are I would definitely vote yes. Only because somebody has to hold them accountable as to how the money is being spent. Giving in to every tax increase and for any cause imaginable will only give them license to take even more. It gives them the message that no matter how bad they screw things up they can always count on the public to bail them out.
Having lived in New York, one of thee most expensive places to live in the country. I can't complain about the cost of living here in Arizona. But governments being governments and politicians are what they are I would definitely vote yes. Only because somebody has to hold them accountable as to how the money is being spent. Giving in to every tax increase and for any cause imaginable will only give them license to take even more. It gives them the message that no matter how bad they screw things up they can always count on the public to bail them out.
I would also vote to reduce the taxes for PV, that would separate us from Prescott and make us the more attractive city for prosperity and economic opportunity. It's already starting to show, look at all the business PV is coming here compared to Prescott.
Trump has faced resistance both externally and internally from his own party. The news media is doing a 24/7 hit job on him with the idea of even if their claims are false they will wear down the base with the constant barrage. Trump has been successful in some things and he is only like 7 months in. I expect some major disruptions but once those are finished I think you are going to Trump start hammering through his pro American agenda. Perhaps I drink the cool aid. Perhaps I'm more informed about his base than most. Maybe both...
I'll stop there because that isn't really what this thread is about.
No, I don't think so. I think you're spot on! If anything his base may dig their heels in harder. I know I am and I was originally never part of his base.
The media is even complaining about the hats that the Trump's wore and Melania's shoes. It will get to the point if it hasn't already where it will be obvious to anyone who's not living on Mars that the media has an agenda and hates this man along with his family's guts to no end. You already know what to expect from them and it is getting tiresome. It's just like the boy who cried "Wolf" too many times. After awhile no one will believe them and they will have lost all credibility as if they haven't already. Objective journalists they are not.
However Trump did bring a lot of this onto himself. His childish name calling and outrageous claims during the primaries did not earn him a lot of friends amongst Republican politicians along with his competitors for the nomination. Now that he needs their cooperation they're not too willing to comply. Besides Trump once was a Democrat.
The media did all they could to ensure that Trump would secure the Republican nomination with non stop coverage of his rallies. Thinking that Clinton would walk all over him in the general election and become the first female president. They grossly underestimated Donald J. Trump especially his followers who are sick and tired of career politicians of both parties and ready for a political outsider.
I wanted either Cruz or Carson for president and voted for Cruz in the primaries. Figuring too that a man like Trump could never win the presidency. But it was not to be and I voted for Trump in the general election.
Now that he's president, I've been pleasantly surprised at how he's doing his job. He seems to have found his true political footing having never before had any core political beliefs. The nomination and confirmation of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court was a home run. His stance on the illegal invasion of our country has been unwavering. For a billionaire he seems to connect well with the average person and is fiercely loyal to those who've elected him. He's pretty much stuck to the principles that got him elected most of which I agree with 100%. He's not afraid to speak his mind regardless of what the media reports about him. I love the way he gives it right back to them in spades.
I just pray to God that he gets re-elected in 2020 if for nothing else to stick it to the media, their talking heads and all of the Hollywood hypocrites. I despise them and their propaganda more than they could ever despise Trump.
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I would also vote to reduce the taxes for PV, that would separate us from Prescott and make us the more attractive city for prosperity and economic opportunity. It's already starting to show, look at all the business PV is coming here compared to Prescott.
Oh, absolutely, it's called competition. PV is right next door. It would not surprise me if they took in more sales tax revenue having a lower sales tax especially on big ticket items. The more volume that is sold, the more revenue comes in. Unfortunately politicians don't think that way. If they did things wouldn't get screwed up in the first place.
Then there are those that will go out of their way shopping for small items. The types that will spend an extra $5 on gas sitting in traffic just to save a dollar on a pair of shoes. There's a lot of them out there too.
44% of us voted against this despicable and unadvised tax and as many shoppers in the outlying communities had no say what-so-ever in having their pockets picked. I vow to limit purchases of most items and all major items in "P town". PV is just as convenient and has most of the services I require.
Yep. It will be 0.08% higher than "P town" but I simply don't care. PV would be smart to drop the difference between the two cities - maybe try a lower rate to see if income drops or remains the same. LOL
I just pray to God that he gets re-elected in 2020 if for nothing else to stick it to the media, their talking heads and all of the Hollywood hypocrites. I despise them and their propaganda more than they could ever despise Trump.
Agree 100%. Swamp needs to be drained...so far going much slower than I would like, but at least with Trump there is hope the swamp will be at least damaged. With the other choices there was no chance. I respect Cruz and want his voice heard, I even think Bernie provides a good critique on things (though his solutions are horrible and he is a little too comfortable in the swamp) but neither of them nor any of the others would take on the capital district which we so desperately need to be reorganized bottom up and top down.
I greatly fear Trump has come too late though. Our educational system has produced a bunch of entitled socialist and the systemic corruption that has taken root at many levels in our government will be really, really hard to get under control. About half of our population is just flat out psychotic and has no interest in dealing with reality. Instead they are controlled by their feelings which makes them easy fodder for the modern sciences of psychological persuasion and debate framing. It just might be too late. But it is worth giving Trump a try. If the USA succumbs to corruption the world will go into a technocratic dark age that could be worse than Huxley and Orwell ever envisioned. While everyone is crusading for whatever the cause de jor that is wagged in front of them to be outraged at the cage bars are quietly being raised all around us...Once that last bar clicks it is game on and the slaughter begins. Hopefully good people and God's restraint will stop it but it is being built around us. It is ritualistic in a sense...we are being told quietly...a whisper here, a statement there...a leak here...that the grave of freedom is being dug...but we are too busy to respond or too wrapped up in our outrage that the fake family group in the tube told us to focus on that are freedoms are dying with only a few even bothering to complain about it in passing. Sad. Trump is the hail marry pass in the last seconds of the game. Let's hope the movement that brought him into power stands firm and succeeds.
If not, make no mistake, it can happen here. Sure not all at once. The illusions of due process and Constitutional restrain will serve their purpose in the early days of the distopia. But they won't last for long once the ball gets rolling. And that ball will crush everyone who doesn't get on board with the new community...
It really is a battle for the heart and soul of not just this nation but free people everywhere. Trump is far from perfect. But it seems obvious to me that he was raised up to offer a...chance, a choice. Will we support him or side with those who gleefully wait for him to stumble so we can get back to the business of dismantling the republic? The jury is still out. That is where true patriots come in. Are you one of them?
And make no mistake I put many people who are liberal and conservative in the easy to psyop category. The control mechanism owns both goal post.
lol, I must have eaten my Wheaties this morning...a little intense for city data?
lol, I must have eaten my Wheaties this morning...a little intense for city data?
Intense? I don't know about that? But you and I are on the same page brother!
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"The law has been used to destroy it's own objective; It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which it's real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense." "But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.
Im just surprised people still believe stuff Trump said during the campaign. He fooled us. Plain and simple. Drain the swamp? His cabinet might be the swampiest ever. Repeal DACA? Yea right. No ideas at all on replacing Obamacare, let alone repealing it. Just did a awful debt ceiling deal with the dems. At some point you gotta just admit you were duped. I could tell i fell for the nonsense only a few months in. Now it gets clearer everyday.
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