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Don't want to appear too dumb but do have a question for you more football savy folks!
What happens with high profile guys (Brees, Forte come to mind) who aren't signing their tags? The purpose of the tag is so another team can't grab that free agent right?
The Forte situation I think of as odd seeing as they did sign another guy, same position. What is the hold up with him, all about more money, will it be a stand off? Does he not show up for workouts?
Brees wants big bucks, more than the Saints are offering, will his deal get done, does he hold out? If he doesn't sign the tag and they don't budge, does that ever happen?
If there really is a standoff where the player doesn't report and the team doesn't trade/release him that player is basically in limbo. the player doesn't get paid for this year and they don't accrue this year towards free agency. The downside to the team is that they obviously don't get the services of that player.
I'm not exactly sure what the salary cap ramifications are.
EDIT: Hopefully I got that right. I know there were some changes with the new CBA.
Thanks, makes sense to me! I've never quite understood the tag business, was going to put it on the Bears thread but wasn't sure if anyone would answer! Things are a little slow right now!
All those fools should just be happy to be where they are.
No wonder they all have the sense of entitlement they do. Could you imagine a regular blue collar worker saying, "I won't do any more work until you pay me what I think I'm worth"? Yeah Buddy..... There's the f-ing door if you don't like it. Don't let it hit you on the way out....
Then again, I'm one of those blue collar schmucks who live in the real world. What do I know?
Could you imagine a regular blue collar worker saying, "I won't do any more work until you pay me what I think I'm worth"? Yeah Buddy..... There's the f-ing door if you don't like it. Don't let it hit you on the way out....
It's called "resigning" in the "blue collar" world and people do it every day!
The difference in the scenario is that you can resign and go to another company if you are not getting what you deserve.
However in the NFL, you cannot... as you can only work for that one company. If you resign, you cannot get another job.
So you cannot compare the two worlds or make a correlation.
It's called "resigning" in the "blue collar" world and people do it every day!
The difference in the scenario is that you can resign and go to another company if you are not getting what you deserve.
Have you looked for a job recently in this economy? It is real difficult out there right now. People are kept in an undesirable place out of sheer neccessity.
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However in the NFL, you cannot... as you can only work for that one company. If you resign, you cannot get another job.
So you cannot compare the two worlds or make a correlation.
They all have college degrees, don't they? They did go to college, right? All I'm saying is that they have it pretty cherry regardless compared to common working folk, regardless of how they're getting paid in their world. They know this. Sometimes the golden handcuff is still better than the alternative. It most definitely is in their line of "work".
Have you looked for a job recently in this economy? It is real difficult out there right now. People are kept in an undesirable place out of sheer neccessity.
What does that have to do with what I said? Because the economy is bad... people don't resign and leave companies?
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They all have college degrees, don't they? They did go to college, right?
Again... what does that have to do with anything...
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All I'm saying is that they have it pretty cherry regardless compared to common working folk, regardless of how they're getting paid in their world. They know this. Sometimes the golden handcuff is still better than the alternative. It most definitely is in their line of "work".
I'm not sure where you went with this whole post... because none of it addresses your original statement and my statement.
Let's keep this simple for you: Holding out (NFL) is not the same as a "blue collar" worker saying he will not do his work until he gets more money because "blue collar" workers can "leave" their jobs and get another one if they do not get the money. NFL players cannot go to another team if they dont get the money they want.
Let's keep this simple for you: NFL players cannot go to another team if they dont get the money they want.
OK. Fair enough. And my initial point in the first line of post 5 was that they should be happy with what they have. They already live the life and earn the type of money that the average person could only dream about.
All this stuff about holdouts is rediculous to me. For heavens sake, just be thankful for the God given talent you have been given and the opportunity that came with it.
If the holdout is because you want 8 million a year because the 6.5 you currently make is "not enough" for your talents, that means it's all about the money and not the love of the game. I recognize that sports management is a business, but I just have trouble sympathizing with people who make absurd cash doing what they love 7 months out of the year and then complaining they deserve more. There are many people in life who choose to make a little less money for the ability to work a job they love.
OK. Fair enough. And my initial point in the first line of post 5 was that they should be happy with what they have. They already live the life and earn the type of money that the average person could only dream about.
All this stuff about holdouts is rediculous to me. For heavens sake, just be thankful for the God given talent you have been given and the opportunity that came with it.
If the holdout is because you want 8 million a year because the 6.5 you currently make is "not enough" for your talents, that means it's all about the money and not the love of the game. I recognize that sports management is a business, but I just have trouble sympathizing with people who make absurd cash doing what they love 7 months out of the year and then complaining they deserve more. There are many people in life who choose to make a little less money for the ability to work a job they love.
It is just business. Just like teams cut players without having to pay out the full contracts.
Its kind of hard to say you don't sympathize with these rich players when on the opposite side is even richer owners.
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