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Old 06-16-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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I’m hoping at some point the pattern can be broken.

This one particular lady has a lot of awful baggage with her 3 girls. All the girls are in 20s now with the oldest close to 30.

Their father died when they were in young teens of heart issues so most of their teen years, the mother raised them.

I am so curious how all 3 of the children turned out the way that they did so thought I'd post this in the Psychology forum.

Two of the 3 girls had 3 children each with different baby daddies. Between all 3 daughters, there have been porn (naked pics on internet for all to see), prostitution, drugs, DUIs, prison stays, jail stays, apartment evictions, no stable job, abandonment of children, domestic abuse (on and to), held up someone at gunpoint, government assist., neglect of children, etc. The one child married a no good lazy guy that won't work so he gets in trouble with the law, doing drugs, making meth, etc. and wife stays with him. WTH.

All the girls associate with thugs. None of the daughters seem to want to date a nice stable guy with morals and class. All girls talk this gangster type language and have the tattoos, tongue piercings and the like. They are what some would label as white trash.

Let's just say they bring a lot of drama to their mom's life. I believe she enables them and actually feeds off their drama in some strange way. Could the mom actually like this attention even though it's negative and that's why she seems to enable them? Is she afraid if she shows tough love, her kids may have nothing to do with her again? Her kids may sometimes be mad at their mom for some reason or another, but it's quickly resolved when they need their mom to babysit or drive them somewhere. They make up with their mom when they NEED her and the mom accepts their apology easily.

The mom seems to talk about her kids like this is normal behavior. When I hear her talk, my lower jaw is usually lowered from shock. I mean how much awful drama can be in one family?!!! It's terrible. If it were my family, I'd not talk about it openly with others. I'd be so ashamed.This lady doesn't seem to be.

I can understand how maybe one child might rebel and would go down the wrong path, but all 3 just puzzles me. The mom treats her children as if this is all normal. I would just want to knock some sense in my kids if they did all the above. I'd have to show some very tough love. I mean how can they learn from their many mistakes if the family around them treats them lovingly still and simply enables them as if to reward their bad behavior? I don't get it.

To me these daughters of hers are old enough to know better and to do better but they continue to do wrong and expecting everyone's help when they need help. Right now one daughter just had one of her baby daddies arrested for domestic abuse....second time and she still wants to get back with him. She even stabbed him with a knife in self-defense. She claims he beat her up twice and she STILL wants to be with him? He's broke, a drunk, beats up women. I don't get it. How is this even good for her young children to be around? Why is it even allowed that she keeps her children in this environment?

Some of this lady’s grand kids have physical or mental issues because of the mothers not taking care of themselves during their pregnancy i.e. taking drugs, drinking, etc. I feel so sorry for all her grand kids as none are in a stable home environment. The kids move from home to home being taken care of. Either the mom has a kid for awhile or grandma takes a kid in for awhile or one baby daddy's parent will take in a kid. None live in a stable home long term.

One day I saw one child that is 7 years old. I asked her how school was that day. She told me they had career day and there was a police officer there in their class. This child told me that she told the officer that her mama drank and got a DUI and had to go to jail. I can imagine the face of the officer after the child told him that. The officer had been talking about staying away from drugs and here was this little girl telling him about her mama that got arrested...how sad.

What could have gone wrong that all 3 of this women's kids turned out like this? I have to think that the parent has to be responsible just for the fact that all 3 turned out so awful? Right?

These 3 daughters just have me curious as to how they could all turn out like they did and I'm curious what could have gone wrong. There's just nothing classy about any of them. One time I did hear the mom say that her children just seem to like bad boys. THAT is SO true. Growing up my mom wouldn't have allowed any of us to date such bad people that had these awful reputations. Sure when we lived at home we could have sneaked out to date them, but she let us know it wouldn't be tolerated and we'd be punished so she scared us enough that we knew better.

Before anyone says to mind my own business, I'm not butting in anyone's business. I'm just a spectator that sees this behavior and wonders what could have gone wrong and why they continue to all make such bad decisions and it's interesting to see how others in the huge family interact together with all the problems. It's as if they live in their own world where all this mess is just part of life and no big deal. It fascinates me.

I got to thinking also. The government hands out money to these type of people i.e. medicaid, food stamps why doesn't the government also make them go into some type program where someone can help them mentally to lead them in the right direction? Give them some life lessons. Teach them how to break the pattern. Just handing them out money again and again is enabling...more kids you have more money they give you. Where is the incentive to do better?




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Old 06-16-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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there is no such thing as born gay, or born wrong lets get that crystal clear!!!!!!!!! its influence by people in there life they imitate.

it is discipline, time together, love, family time, get your a@# outside, i cant think of a funny we had for video games at my age oops,

take the d@# pc , cell phone away, and to much more to list

ok to much info and personal

i am adhd with rage disorder!! look it up most go to jail drugs beer all that crap!

my dad was the best he raised me military, he raised me dont hurt crap, but also tought me to fight and when to(in my day it was she dont act like a lady dont treat her like one sorry guys gals i still follow that)

it seemed mean all the pushing, lazy all that. but you have to remember the time. once i did i saw he was just trying to make me a strong reliable steady employed man!!

we were outside all the time, my uncle took me on semi routes, my dad outdoors, canoes ( sh@#head always flipped and said submarine!!

we took motorcycle rides all over, family trips, all that.

but he was strong handed we got one hell of a tannin if we got out of line to far, he had that way of snapping the belt and we ran! it was firm in today it would be overboard, that right there is half your ? no good tannin allowed!

mom always said pleas call dcfs on me one less to feed lol.

thats whats missing thats why there out of hand, allot are just more stamps or money some states like IL pay you more the more kids you have

we had set bed time, curfew, now they dont!

and maybe bad or out of hand, me i say best life lesson ever tought by dad! one day i was 6.3 200pnds kinda built could bench 3 to 5 hundred

so i stood up to my 6 foot dad i said old man im bigger and stronger i dont have to obey you anymore!!!

next thing i know im across the room jaw throbbing him standing on my nuts saying what did you say boy?

uhhhhh ouch nothing sir!!

man its embarrassing that old man can still kick my a@#$ to this day im 40 hes 60 man thats embarrassing!!!

se now we cant touch them, theres to much technology handed freely at any age, i was a kid a calculator was cool wow buttons!

they can be saved it takes one person to take and love one kid then it spreads his decisions influence others imagine if everyone took one child imagine the change

thats why i am in big brothers sisters to make that change, to start the ball rolling for one kid

i used to say there lost!! no not even teens are lost!! teens are worse harder more walls, but your softer wait be there!

you can eventually start saving even them
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:45 PM
 
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I wonder what these girls Dad was like when he was still alive? I wonder what the dynamic was between him and his wife who sounds like an enabler? I would bet money that these girls were sexually abused by someone at some point in time. I'd also bet that the people in this family come from a long line of dysfunction spanning generations.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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there is no such thing as born gay, or born wrong lets get that crystal clear!!!!!!!!! its influence by people in there life they imitate.

it is discipline, time together, love, family time, get your a@# outside, i cant think of a funny we had for video games at my age oops,

take the d@# pc , cell phone away, and to much more to list

ok to much info and personal

i am adhd with rage disorder!! look it up most go to jail drugs beer all that crap!

my dad was the best he raised me military, he raised me dont hurt crap, but also tought me to fight and when to(in my day it was she dont act like a lady dont treat her like one sorry guys gals i still follow that)

it seemed mean all the pushing, lazy all that. but you have to remember the time. once i did i saw he was just trying to make me a strong reliable steady employed man!!

we were outside all the time, my uncle took me on semi routes, my dad outdoors, canoes ( sh@#head always flipped and said submarine!!

we took motorcycle rides all over, family trips, all that.

but he was strong handed we got one hell of a tannin if we got out of line to far, he had that way of snapping the belt and we ran! it was firm in today it would be overboard, that right there is half your ? no good tannin allowed!

mom always said pleas call dcfs on me one less to feed lol.

thats whats missing thats why there out of hand, allot are just more stamps or money some states like IL pay you more the more kids you have

we had set bed time, curfew, now they dont!

and maybe bad or out of hand, me i say best life lesson ever tought by dad! one day i was 6.3 200pnds kinda built could bench 3 to 5 hundred

so i stood up to my 6 foot dad i said old man im bigger and stronger i dont have to obey you anymore!!!

next thing i know im across the room jaw throbbing him standing on my nuts saying what did you say boy?

uhhhhh ouch nothing sir!!

man its embarrassing that old man can still kick my a@#$ to this day im 40 hes 60 man thats embarrassing!!!

se now we cant touch them, theres to much technology handed freely at any age, i was a kid a calculator was cool wow buttons!

they can be saved it takes one person to take and love one kid then it spreads his decisions influence others imagine if everyone took one child imagine the change

thats why i am in big brothers sisters to make that change, to start the ball rolling for one kid

i used to say there lost!! no not even teens are lost!! teens are worse harder more walls, but your softer wait be there!

you can eventually start saving even them
Wow. You influence children. That's... terrifying.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:09 PM
 
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I’m hoping at some point the pattern can be broken.

This one particular lady has a lot of awful baggage with her 3 girls. All the girls are in 20s now with the oldest close to 30.

Their father died when they were in young teens of heart issues so most of their teen years, the mother raised them.

I am so curious how all 3 of the children turned out the way that they did so thought I'd post this in the Psychology forum.

Two of the 3 girls had 3 children each with different baby daddies. Between all 3 daughters, there have been porn (naked pics on internet for all to see), prostitution, drugs, DUIs, prison stays, jail stays, apartment evictions, no stable job, abandonment of children, domestic abuse (on and to), held up someone at gunpoint, government assist., neglect of children, etc. The one child married a no good lazy guy that won't work so he gets in trouble with the law, doing drugs, making meth, etc. and wife stays with him. WTH.

All the girls associate with thugs. None of the daughters seem to want to date a nice stable guy with morals and class. All girls talk this gangster type language and have the tattoos, tongue piercings and the like. They are what some would label as white trash.

Let's just say they bring a lot of drama to their mom's life. I believe she enables them and actually feeds off their drama in some strange way. Could the mom actually like this attention even though it's negative and that's why she seems to enable them? Is she afraid if she shows tough love, her kids may have nothing to do with her again? Her kids may sometimes be mad at their mom for some reason or another, but it's quickly resolved when they need their mom to babysit or drive them somewhere. They make up with their mom when they NEED her and the mom accepts their apology easily.

The mom seems to talk about her kids like this is normal behavior. When I hear her talk, my lower jaw is usually lowered from shock. I mean how much awful drama can be in one family?!!! It's terrible. If it were my family, I'd not talk about it openly with others. I'd be so ashamed.This lady doesn't seem to be.

I can understand how maybe one child might rebel and would go down the wrong path, but all 3 just puzzles me. The mom treats her children as if this is all normal. I would just want to knock some sense in my kids if they did all the above. I'd have to show some very tough love. I mean how can they learn from their many mistakes if the family around them treats them lovingly still and simply enables them as if to reward their bad behavior? I don't get it.

To me these daughters of hers are old enough to know better and to do better but they continue to do wrong and expecting everyone's help when they need help. Right now one daughter just had one of her baby daddies arrested for domestic abuse....second time and she still wants to get back with him. She even stabbed him with a knife in self-defense. She claims he beat her up twice and she STILL wants to be with him? He's broke, a drunk, beats up women. I don't get it. How is this even good for her young children to be around? Why is it even allowed that she keeps her children in this environment?

Some of this lady’s grand kids have physical or mental issues because of the mothers not taking care of themselves during their pregnancy i.e. taking drugs, drinking, etc. I feel so sorry for all her grand kids as none are in a stable home environment. The kids move from home to home being taken care of. Either the mom has a kid for awhile or grandma takes a kid in for awhile or one baby daddy's parent will take in a kid. None live in a stable home long term.

One day I saw one child that is 7 years old. I asked her how school was that day. She told me they had career day and there was a police officer there in their class. This child told me that she told the officer that her mama drank and got a DUI and had to go to jail. I can imagine the face of the officer after the child told him that. The officer had been talking about staying away from drugs and here was this little girl telling him about her mama that got arrested...how sad.

What could have gone wrong that all 3 of this women's kids turned out like this? I have to think that the parent has to be responsible just for the fact that all 3 turned out so awful? Right?

These 3 daughters just have me curious as to how they could all turn out like they did and I'm curious what could have gone wrong. There's just nothing classy about any of them. One time I did hear the mom say that her children just seem to like bad boys. THAT is SO true. Growing up my mom wouldn't have allowed any of us to date such bad people that had these awful reputations. Sure when we lived at home we could have sneaked out to date them, but she let us know it wouldn't be tolerated and we'd be punished so she scared us enough that we knew better.

Before anyone says to mind my own business, I'm not butting in anyone's business. I'm just a spectator that sees this behavior and wonders what could have gone wrong and why they continue to all make such bad decisions and it's interesting to see how others in the huge family interact together with all the problems. It's as if they live in their own world where all this mess is just part of life and no big deal. It fascinates me.

I got to thinking also. The government hands out money to these type of people i.e. medicaid, food stamps why doesn't the government also make them go into some type program where someone can help them mentally to lead them in the right direction? Give them some life lessons. Teach them how to break the pattern. Just handing them out money again and again is enabling...more kids you have more money they give you. Where is the incentive to do better?



Well what was mom doing? How was she parenting?

I think children of single parents are at a disadvantage - I don't think there's any particular virtue to heterosexual couples necessarily, but any children will benefit from having two functional adults to provide them with support and guidance and their material needs. That's just common sense - one person cannot be everything, and they will need someone to have their back and take up the slack when they falter. And children need to be in a situation where they are prioritized in order to thrive.

If this mother was going it alone, had psychological problems/issues, and did not have a functional background herself, those kids were pretty much doomed.
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:21 AM
 
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I’m hoping at some point the pattern can be broken.

This one particular lady has a lot of awful baggage with her 3 girls. All the girls are in 20s now with the oldest close to 30.

Their father died when they were in young teens of heart issues so most of their teen years, the mother raised them.

I am so curious how all 3 of the children turned out the way that they did so thought I'd post this in the Psychology forum.

Two of the 3 girls had 3 children each with different baby daddies. Between all 3 daughters, there have been porn (naked pics on internet for all to see), prostitution, drugs, DUIs, prison stays, jail stays, apartment evictions, no stable job, abandonment of children, domestic abuse (on and to), held up someone at gunpoint, government assist., neglect of children, etc. The one child married a no good lazy guy that won't work so he gets in trouble with the law, doing drugs, making meth, etc. and wife stays with him. WTH.

All the girls associate with thugs. None of the daughters seem to want to date a nice stable guy with morals and class. All girls talk this gangster type language and have the tattoos, tongue piercings and the like. They are what some would label as white trash.

Let's just say they bring a lot of drama to their mom's life. I believe she enables them and actually feeds off their drama in some strange way. Could the mom actually like this attention even though it's negative and that's why she seems to enable them? Is she afraid if she shows tough love, her kids may have nothing to do with her again? Her kids may sometimes be mad at their mom for some reason or another, but it's quickly resolved when they need their mom to babysit or drive them somewhere. They make up with their mom when they NEED her and the mom accepts their apology easily.

The mom seems to talk about her kids like this is normal behavior. When I hear her talk, my lower jaw is usually lowered from shock. I mean how much awful drama can be in one family?!!! It's terrible. If it were my family, I'd not talk about it openly with others. I'd be so ashamed.This lady doesn't seem to be.

I can understand how maybe one child might rebel and would go down the wrong path, but all 3 just puzzles me. The mom treats her children as if this is all normal. I would just want to knock some sense in my kids if they did all the above. I'd have to show some very tough love. I mean how can they learn from their many mistakes if the family around them treats them lovingly still and simply enables them as if to reward their bad behavior? I don't get it.

To me these daughters of hers are old enough to know better and to do better but they continue to do wrong and expecting everyone's help when they need help. Right now one daughter just had one of her baby daddies arrested for domestic abuse....second time and she still wants to get back with him. She even stabbed him with a knife in self-defense. She claims he beat her up twice and she STILL wants to be with him? He's broke, a drunk, beats up women. I don't get it. How is this even good for her young children to be around? Why is it even allowed that she keeps her children in this environment?

Some of this lady’s grand kids have physical or mental issues because of the mothers not taking care of themselves during their pregnancy i.e. taking drugs, drinking, etc. I feel so sorry for all her grand kids as none are in a stable home environment. The kids move from home to home being taken care of. Either the mom has a kid for awhile or grandma takes a kid in for awhile or one baby daddy's parent will take in a kid. None live in a stable home long term.

One day I saw one child that is 7 years old. I asked her how school was that day. She told me they had career day and there was a police officer there in their class. This child told me that she told the officer that her mama drank and got a DUI and had to go to jail. I can imagine the face of the officer after the child told him that. The officer had been talking about staying away from drugs and here was this little girl telling him about her mama that got arrested...how sad.

What could have gone wrong that all 3 of this women's kids turned out like this? I have to think that the parent has to be responsible just for the fact that all 3 turned out so awful? Right?

These 3 daughters just have me curious as to how they could all turn out like they did and I'm curious what could have gone wrong. There's just nothing classy about any of them. One time I did hear the mom say that her children just seem to like bad boys. THAT is SO true. Growing up my mom wouldn't have allowed any of us to date such bad people that had these awful reputations. Sure when we lived at home we could have sneaked out to date them, but she let us know it wouldn't be tolerated and we'd be punished so she scared us enough that we knew better.

Before anyone says to mind my own business, I'm not butting in anyone's business. I'm just a spectator that sees this behavior and wonders what could have gone wrong and why they continue to all make such bad decisions and it's interesting to see how others in the huge family interact together with all the problems. It's as if they live in their own world where all this mess is just part of life and no big deal. It fascinates me.

I got to thinking also. The government hands out money to these type of people i.e. medicaid, food stamps why doesn't the government also make them go into some type program where someone can help them mentally to lead them in the right direction? Give them some life lessons. Teach them how to break the pattern. Just handing them out money again and again is enabling...more kids you have more money they give you. Where is the incentive to do better?



Read the book "The Nurture Assumption". Peers play a stronger role than parents want to admit in how their kids turn out. IMO, the order is peers, nature then nurture. I think nurture can only do so much. If you really want to have an impact on your kids an increase their chances of success, give them the right peers.

If I had understood the impact of peers when my kids were young, I would have bit the bullet and bought a house in an area with great schools even if I had to be house poor. Hind sight is always 20/20. Besides genes, I didn't realize until it was too late that my biggest contribution to my kids was choosing where they would grow up. I could have done better there.
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Old 06-17-2014, 06:36 AM
 
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Doesn't sound like they were born bad, but I agree with what one poster stated, no one is born a certain way. There could have been a lot of things that went wrong with the girls from how they were raised, abuse, etc. However, I agree with the poster above me: I think peers have a lot to do with things.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:16 AM
 
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diddlyduet - I believe you are right in a way. Especially your paragaph where you talk about people who get handouts often dont learn responsibility and it has a bad effect. it puts you into a mentality where it can be harmful.

also, certain scenarios are going to reap havoc, as systems are set up for a reason, because they work, when people start going against these systems, stuff like what you described happens. Take the family for instance - it is a system set up, with a father and a mother who takes care of the kids. The father is a man who has a natural thing about him which means authority. Mothers often tell the kids "Wait till your father gets home" and the kid somehow knows the law has been laid down. Mothers were the nurturing type. you could go to mom with a scrape on your knee or a kid bullying you at school and mom would nurture you back to health. ok these were the old days haha but they worked. ok this is an ideal situation.

now, if part of that system is broken, you get broken kids. Not all the time, but often. I think the breakdown of the traditional family has hurt society. mothers were not meant to be the authority figure, it is dads job.

so now you have kids from broken homes, ok even with a mother and father and that family is screwed up somehow, there goes my theory right? well ok i agree. a messed up family can be lethal too. the kid then feels no sense of family so he seeks out gang bangers and other peers who do what they want to, because you know, its fun to diss mom and dad. so here begins a bad thing and there you go with the results.

so ideally a traditional family is good IF the mother and father are not effing up thier kids.

some non-traditional families have had more love than a traditional mom and dad family, so thats good.

but ideally, if we could have had a family like we saw on Leave it to Beaver, THAT would have prevented a lot of crap that kids endure nowadays.

i think a lot of problems are a product of effed up upbringing. either the families live in the ghetto, have effed up parents, who dont know how to parent, and they pass on their effed up traits to others, and then the kids repeat.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:27 AM
 
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Thanks everyone for the responses.

As I said, this family fascinates me. I know the woman a little but the little I do talk to her it's all drama.

I really doubt the kids were abused. Each kid seems to really love their dad. Only reason why I say this is that they post his pics on Facebook for Father's Day and old pics of him with the children. They post how they love and miss their daddy and think of him often. That would make perfect sense if they were abused though but I don't think so but of course what do I know.

Each of the kids has a Facebook page and one can learn so much about them just reading their pages. Right now the one that had one of her baby daddy's arrested for domestic abuse and told not to contact him, is liking things on HIS Facebook page and they are communicating that way for all to see.

I found one Twitter page of another kid with naked pics of her whole body and she tweets things like meth is the best.

The other is the one married to a good-for-nothing lazy sit at home all day and get in trouble with drugs.

For curiosity I click on their friends and most friends of all the girls seem to also lead dysfunctional lives with being poor, no transportation, money, unemployed and talking gangster and lacking morals. They seem to hang with like people.

Sure I've heard of many kids where they had no dad figure growing up and they turn out just great or normal. I would still find it odd that all 3 of these turned out awful.

The mom seems to really miss her deceased husband and has nothing but love for him. She wil post about him on his death anniversary every year and how she misses him and the kids miss him and how they think of him often and all love him, etc.

The mom does see a counselor and has been on meds for depression. She seems happiest when she is with her grandchildren. She loves babysitting and being a care-giver. She talks about her grand kids and children or herself all the time.

I have noticed that what stands out to me in the mom is that she is extremely talkative and will talk continually without taking a breath. She also loves to brag about how this random guy thinks she is pretty or how this guy whistled. She likes to tell you how others think she is pretty or smart or other great thing. She isn't ugly but she's not all that. She's not as pretty as she'd like to think. She also exaggerates a lot by embellishing a story she is telling. Let's just say you can't always believe 100% of what she is saying.

Also something I notice about her and her 3 girls is that they all dress to show off their body i.e. very low cut tops and short skirts/shorts. Maybe if they grew up to dress classier they would have made classier friends. ?? The lady is dating again and the guy that she is dating is trying to get her to dress more conservative now and she seems to be trying to class it up but the kids still dress like Walmartians.

I don't know why this family is so interesting to me. Maybe it's because I have never known a family like this before where all the kids are always in such trouble and none seem to be capable of making a good decision. I don't get it. As an outsider it's easy to see their mistakes and I would think they could see how to improve their lives but they refuse and keep doing stupid things over and over to make their lives even worse. I truly want to shake them and knock some sense in them or at least take them all in to talk to someone wise that can help teach them how to start making better decisions. The whole situation puzzles me.

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Old 06-17-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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Thanks everyone for the responses.

As I said, this family fascinates me. I know the woman a little but the little I do talk to her it's all drama.

I really doubt the kids were abused. Each kid seems to really love their dad. Only reason why I say this is that they post his pics on Facebook for Father's Day and old pics of him with the children. They post how they love and miss their daddy and think of him often. That would make perfect sense if they were abused.

Each of the kids has a Facebook page and one can learn so much about them just reading their pages. Right now the one that had one of her baby daddy's arrested for domestic abuse and told not to contact him, is liking things on HIS Facebook page and they are communicating that way for all to see.

I found one Twitter page of another kid with naked pics of her whole body and she tweets things like meth is the best.

The other is the one married to a good-for-nothing lazy sit at home all day and get in trouble with drugs.

For curiosity I click on their friends and most friends of all the girls seem to also lead dysfunctional lives with being poor, no transportation, money, unemployed and talking gangster and lacking morals. They seem to hang with like people.

Sure I've heard of many kids where they had no dad figure growing up and they turn out just great or normal. I would still find it odd that all 3 of these turned out awful.

The mom seems to really miss her deceased husband and has nothing but love for him. She wil post about him on his death anniversary every year and how she misses him and the kids miss him and how they think of him often and all love him, etc.

The mom does see a counselor and has been on meds for depression. She seems happiest when she is with her grandchildren. She loves babysitting and being a care-giver. She talks about her grand kids and children or herself all the time.

I have noticed that what stands out to me in the mom is that she is extremely talkative and will talk continually without taking a breath. She also loves to brag about how this random guy thinks she is pretty or how this guy whistled. She likes to tell you how others think she is pretty or smart or other great thing. She isn't ugly but she's not all that. She's not as pretty as she'd like to think. She also exaggerates a lot by embellishing a story she is telling. Let's just say you can't always believe 100% of what she is saying.

Also something I notice about her and her 3 girls is that they all dress to show off their body i.e. very low cut tops and short skirts/shorts. Maybe if they grew up to dress classier they would have made classier friends. ?? The lady is dating again and the guy that she is dating is trying to get her to dress more conservative now and she seems to be trying to class it up but the kids still dress like Walmartians.

I don't know why this family is so interesting to me. Maybe it's because I have never known a family like this before where all the kids are always in such trouble and none seem to be capable of making a good decision. I don't get it. As an outsider it's easy to see their mistakes and I would think they could see how to improve their lives but they refuse and keep doing stupid things over and over to make their lives even worse. I truly want to shake them and knock some sense in them or at least take them all in to talk to someone wise that can help teach them how to start making better decisions. The whole situation puzzles me.
The mother appears to be into attention-seeking behavior. Huge red flag when it comes to mental health. And yes, people like that often love kids because they tend to provide a lot of attention and attract a lot of attention. The daughters likely picked up some of this and this is possibly why they seek out abusive relationships which generate... a lot of attention.

Weird, sick, sad cycle.
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