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That's just what does it for me. Like I said different people attracted to different things. You might be the type of female who needs a more submissive type of guy. That's what does it for you.
I would need a more submissive type of guy, because I'm a really gentle and submissive woman. I don't like it when people try to control me, though; my freedom is honestly the most important thing to me, but I also try very hard, perhaps too hard, to not hurt anyone's feelings. Some men take that as a signal that they can walk all over me. I'm skittish about relationships; I often get into them accidentally. I'm a straight woman, but most men just don't do anything for me, really. I like the company, but that's about it. They usually want something else, and they usually want the relationship to move too fast.
Don't get me wrong, a guy who has some of the traits of my dad would be nice. My dad knows how to do a lot of things, including how to sew and survive in the wild, but well, my dad's more or less a chauvinist himself. He made an exception for me and my mom, but that's about it. He still draws hard lines on gender roles. We still have a lot in common, though, and I would like to find a guy like my dad; I would just like a gentler more modern metrosexual version of him, one that fully embraces the idea that people can be whoever they want to be.
I would need a more submissive type of guy, because I'm a really gentle and submissive woman. I don't like it when people try to control me, though; my freedom is honestly the most important thing to me, but I also try very hard, perhaps too hard, to not hurt anyone's feelings. Some men take that as a signal that they can walk all over me. I'm skittish about relationships; I often get into them accidentally. I'm a straight woman, but most men just don't do anything for me, really. I like the company, but that's about it. They usually want something else, and they usually want the relationship to move too fast.
Don't get me wrong, a guy who has some of the traits of my dad would be nice. My dad knows how to do a lot of things, including how to sew and survive in the wild, but well, my dad's more or less a chauvinist himself. He made an exception for me and my mom, but that's about it. He still draws hard lines on gender roles. We still have a lot in common, though, and I would like to find a guy like my dad; I would just like a gentler more modern metrosexual version of him, one that fully embraces the idea that people can be whoever they want to be.
Two submissive people pairing up doesn't strike me as a recipe for success.
A balance of both is okay, but I want to get as far away from the big lumbering ogre who thinks that he has to demonstrate his "manliness" with stupid brute force, childish rude behavior, and needless guilt tripping, as I can. That, for me, means looking for guys who have personality traits that are just the opposite of those the ogre chauvinist will have.
The opposite extreme is still dysfunctional, why do extremes at all? Most people fall in the center anyway.
Two submissive people pairing up doesn't strike me as a recipe for success.
I know I said that, but don't like being controlled. I don't know if you would really call me submissive. I just don't like hurting other people's feelings. I only lead when clearly given the opportunity, but I resent people who try to lead me when I feel like they don't know where they are going, and I have trouble accepting people who get mad at me just because I "question their manliness," by having the audacity to try to "wear the pants" in a relationship.
Might want to get out of wherever you're at and move to a larger city.
Sounds like you don't like the white trash 'Git-r-done' types..I don't blame women for not liking those types..But you make it sound like there's only two kinds of men - femmes and ogres.
In reality, the majority of men aren't 'ultra masculine'..Not in the several midwest cities I've lived in anyway.
Yep. Kinda puts the vast majority of us poor guys that are stuck right in the middle as outcasts. hmmm wonder what the future of our military will look like.....
Might want to get out of wherever you're at and move to a larger city.
Sounds like you don't like the white trash 'Git-r-done' types..I don't blame women for not liking those types..But you make it sound like there's only two kinds of men - femmes and ogres.
In reality, the majority of men aren't 'ultra masculine'..Not in the several midwest cities I've lived in anyway.
Yep. Kinda puts the vast majority of us poor guys that are stuck right in the middle as outcasts. hmmm wonder what the future of our military will look like.....
Most women actually prefer men who are in the middle because most women don't like initiating sexual stuff other than kissing.
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Actually there are plenty of so-called "femme" guys around these days. Only you know them usually as "techies", "nerds", "geeks", "intellectuals", "metro-sexuals", and whatever else doesn't fit into the narrow and traditional definition of "manly".
And that's really the issue, simply that the expectations for "masculinity" are way more limited than for "femininity". Which BTW, often starts with women who say stuff like they want a "real man", although we rarely hear of guys who are looking for a "real woman"! Because basically women seldom have their very gender called into question, let alone in the ways that men routinely experience.
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