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Old 07-09-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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Old 07-09-2015, 04:08 PM
 
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About defusing through drawing. Iffy, of course.

Rather reminds me of the novelization of the classic Battlestar Galactica episode, "The Gun on Ice Planet Zero" (Book: The Cylon Death Machine, http://www.risingshadow.net/library_...ooks/29624.jpg) where a computer simulated Starbuck learns that Cylons use poetry to treat the criminals and malcontents in their society.

Anyhow, iffy because of the way society views, naturally or through conditioning, such people. I'm afraid because of that it is an aspect that is doomed never to get off the ground, sort of like using marksmanship training to teach anger management (calm the body to put rounds on target). It might be workable but the prejudice against it is so strong, it will never be given the chance.

Further, if it is used, it can probably be used only on one side of the coin. Quite a few years ago, there was a probation/parole case where the offender was found to be writing diaries about violent fantasies against imaginary children. The diaries were discovered, the probation/parole was revoked, back into the slammer he went.....and various people were up in arms about "thought police". The real item on the table, though, is not "thought police" but rather, people not understanding just what probation/parole is.

As a prof put it to me once in class: "Let me explain what probation is. The government has given you this great gift of not putting you in jail, of letting you be free. You need to repay the government by being the best possible citizen it has, be the shining example for all to follow. If you aren't this, if you think you can continue living as you did before, then the government might and probably would be correct in withdrawing its gift."

Okay, so in our situation here, we would have a treatment we might offer to one particular group that we can't offer to another group.

Don't get me wrong, I like finding ways to defuse people before they go beyond the line. Further, I believe in the freedom of art and that nudity alone does not constitute a crime. If it did, people with Nat'l Geographic collections of the 70's & before could be on the chopping block.

Still, it is a very nervous area to be in. I was probably holding every third breath when I turned in a paper about having restraint in replying to complaints.......and I used a "recon" photo that American artist Thomas Eakins took for his painting "The Swimming Hole" as an example. I was wondering if I had gone too far.

Long story short, I honestly do not think one could ever get public funding for such a project, either to research it with subjects or to put it into practice. A think tank for either humanitarian or tactical development reasons might be able to research it, but I don't think the public would ever go for it.

When one has offenders, those who have crossed the line, I understand the best approach to treatment is group therapy. Why? If someone in group is getting ready to cross the line again, those around him are the best ones to see it. In a room of such people, "he" is not fooling anyone.
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Old 07-09-2015, 05:28 PM
 
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Of course we have to remember that not all child porn users become addicts, and not all child porn users and addicts become actual child molesters. I admittedly don't know the facts, but I would imagine that there a lot more child porn users than there are actual child molesters. The majority must just stop at the viewing of the porn and self-satisfying. I'm sure there are people who "self satisfy" to all sorts of weird images, legal and illegal, and who never progress to acting it out in real life.
Here's the problem with that statement - where do you think the child porn is coming from? It's not the same 100 images being shared over and over again. People are creating it, every day - and it's not all coming from overseas. Child rapists - and I'm not going to call them "molesters" because they're rapists, that's what they are - are part of a huge industry creating child porn. Every time you hear on the news that some guy is caught with thousands of files on his computer - do you think they are the same files that every other guy has been caught with? Nope. If people really knew and understood how many little kids were being raped every day they would lose their sh i t. The people who "just" look at child porn are just as guilty as the producers because they are feeding the industry.
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Old 07-09-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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How bout "Misery loves company ?"

???

What frigging weird question?
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Old 07-10-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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About defusing through drawing. Iffy, of course.

Rather reminds me of the novelization of the classic Battlestar Galactica episode, "The Gun on Ice Planet Zero" (Book: The Cylon Death Machine, http://www.risingshadow.net/library_...ooks/29624.jpg) where a computer simulated Starbuck learns that Cylons use poetry to treat the criminals and malcontents in their society.

Anyhow, iffy because of the way society views, naturally or through conditioning, such people. I'm afraid because of that it is an aspect that is doomed never to get off the ground, sort of like using marksmanship training to teach anger management (calm the body to put rounds on target). It might be workable but the prejudice against it is so strong, it will never be given the chance.

Further, if it is used, it can probably be used only on one side of the coin. Quite a few years ago, there was a probation/parole case where the offender was found to be writing diaries about violent fantasies against imaginary children. The diaries were discovered, the probation/parole was revoked, back into the slammer he went.....and various people were up in arms about "thought police". The real item on the table, though, is not "thought police" but rather, people not understanding just what probation/parole is.

As a prof put it to me once in class: "Let me explain what probation is. The government has given you this great gift of not putting you in jail, of letting you be free. You need to repay the government by being the best possible citizen it has, be the shining example for all to follow. If you aren't this, if you think you can continue living as you did before, then the government might and probably would be correct in withdrawing its gift."

Okay, so in our situation here, we would have a treatment we might offer to one particular group that we can't offer to another group.

Don't get me wrong, I like finding ways to defuse people before they go beyond the line. Further, I believe in the freedom of art and that nudity alone does not constitute a crime. If it did, people with Nat'l Geographic collections of the 70's & before could be on the chopping block.

Still, it is a very nervous area to be in. I was probably holding every third breath when I turned in a paper about having restraint in replying to complaints.......and I used a "recon" photo that American artist Thomas Eakins took for his painting "The Swimming Hole" as an example. I was wondering if I had gone too far.

Long story short, I honestly do not think one could ever get public funding for such a project, either to research it with subjects or to put it into practice. A think tank for either humanitarian or tactical development reasons might be able to research it, but I don't think the public would ever go for it.

When one has offenders, those who have crossed the line, I understand the best approach to treatment is group therapy. Why? If someone in group is getting ready to cross the line again, those around him are the best ones to see it. In a room of such people, "he" is not fooling anyone.
Thanks for the info. I was never suggesting that this drawing thing should be a publicly funded or legally mandated thing. Just something that a pedophile, who has not acted on his impulses and who actually wants to keep it that way and not get in trouble, could decide to pursue.

I've only worked with 3 admitted pedophiles in my career, and only one had acted and approached a child (he was promptly arrested). The other two surprised me in that they were not the predators or sociopaths I'd imagined all pedophiles to be. They both understood right and wrong, legal and illegal, and knew that if they ever acted on their impulses, they would get into huge trouble. They both expressed shame about their impulses, and didn't want to act on them. I guess I had only read about the NAMBLA types who tried to justify their behavior. These two separate men were "disgusted" by the NMBLA mentality. They both felt like "freaks" who were "cursed" with this shameful problem. They also both had been sexually abused as kids, and had some insight that this was how their problems arose. They both made sure to stay away from children, and the one guy would insist on only coming to the clinic at times when there would be no kids in the lobby, like school hours.
Some might say that guys like that are the exception and not the rule, but I suspect that there are many more like them, who have this predilection and never act on it. It's just the ones who offend that we hear about.
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Old 07-10-2015, 08:48 PM
 
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Okay, we all know that there are people who are pedophiles and into child pornography. And we all agree it's despicable, etc. But I'm wondering about another habit that seems to be connected: sharing it.

In every news story I read about some guy, or ring of guys, getting caught with child porn, it's always because they were sharing it online.

So let's put aside for the moment that child porn is horrible, sick and harmful to kids. Let's say for argument's sake you are a guy who likes child porn. Why on earth would you choose to share it? That's how they get caught. Apparently there are these peer-to-peer file sharing networks online, and these guys somehow have this need to share their child porn pictures or videos. So even if you can grasp the fact that someone is compelled to look at child porn, what is this compulsion to share it with other guys?

It's funny how people often see loners as suspicious, and think that pedophiles are more likely to be loners. But any self-respecting loner would just look at the darned pictures on his own, all by himself, in the comfort of his own home, and not bother sharing then with other guys. So if child porn is your hobby (a disgusting illegal hobby) then why not just pursue it as a solitary hobby?

I have my own online solitary hobby: genealogy. Sure I might message other people on ancestry.com about something, rarely, but I largely pursue this hobby all by myself, and I feel no need to "share" my info I gather with other people. But I'm a bit of a loner. Non-loner, extraverted, genealogy hobbyists are more likely to join groups and share their findings with others. It seems to me that if these guys who like child porn (and let's face it, they're mostly all guys) would just keep their own little collection of sick photos to themselves, it's highly unlikely they'd get in trouble.

Of course, they'd have to obtain the files somehow in the first place. So I guess some "sharing" is involved in buying or getting the photos initially. But I think it's pretty rare that the guys the authorities catch sharing these files are just buying or downloading their very first child porn photo. They often (according to the news stories) are found with hundreds, even thousands of child porn files, and they get caught when they swap them with other guys.

So anyway, I just wonder, what's the motivation behind wanting to share one's child porn? Again, let's forget for a few minutes that it's terrible, repugnant, illegal, harmful, reprehensible, etc. Just examine why, if someone is into child porn, why he's compelled to share it with others?
Let me take a guess at this. I've noticed individuals who have problems and/or do wrong tend to prefer others who are like themselves. A closer look brings up a creepy reason for it: when everyone they associate with is the same and does the same things, it's an easy way to excuse their behavior- 'it isn't wrong- everyone does it.'
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:35 AM
 
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Law Enforcement (LE) has reviewed more than 121.6 million images and videos of child pornography (CP) but stated the majority of those are duplicates. Practically all the sexually explicit images of children circulating cybernetically except for sexting images are from a stack of yellowing pages found at the back of X-rated shops when it was legal now their digitized. These pictures from what I have read tend to twenty to fifty years old, made overseas, badly re-reproduced, and chaste. That's why federal agents never show journalists the contraband. Legislators have passed CP laws based on pedophile drama using pre internet research on a post internet society and LE, politicians assume there is a market for CP which there isn't. Today it is Individuals under 18 that are themselves creating it. The whole issue of sex is so easily manipulated especially be someone who has an agenda. Fortunately we have an internet to bring light into the darkness and expose the whole issue for what it is.

The increase in Internet sexual offending has been paralleled by a decrease in the number of reported child sexual abuse cases, and a decrease in violent crime (Mishra & Lalumière, 2009; Finkelhor & Jones, 2006) Have you read that in the media? NO!! This indicates that Internet sexual offending is a new phenomenon that may not be influenced by the same contextual factors as other kinds of sexual or violent crime. An important research question is the extent to which Internet sex offenders represent a new type of sex offender, or whether they reflect the transformation of conventional sexual offending through the adoption of new technologies (Seto & Hanson, 2011). The law was intended to save children; However the software LE uses only goes after some peer to peer (P2P) filesharer who happens to download intentionally or not images of the harm done by someone else and doesn't rescue one child.

LE(politicians) use CP Gothic Melodramas as they traffic alleged CP arrestees in front of the media for person gain that tends to whip the public into a frenzy, win political votes and stimulate curiosity. Combined with a computer bogeyman this process is being used and abused to achieve various objectives. However it is not acceptable to tackle these issue without facts when a person can be sent to PRISON. A CP arrest is the ultimate indictment where constitutional rights are eliminated and NO defense is allowed; it is being used for everything and every purpose. Have you ever been convinced by a salesperson that you really want and need a product, done something too instinctively, or made choices that seemed entirely out of character, then you've had an idea planted in your mind. No one wants to cause harm to a child (right, left or in between). Curiosity keeps people coming back whether there is a new piece of software or gadget because people know they might learn something new; that's our nature. Journalist unable to see the contraband report ONLY the, "Gothic Melodramas" LE traffics at news gatherings after a bust which develops curiosity. LE has learned from the social sciences on how to cultivate that curiosity which make their, “CP pull marketing” work and that is what is accounting for all the CP arrests. The real child pornographers; the people actually hurting children go free because they know how to to acquire the material without getting caught. In essence LE has only been arresting the low hanging fruit by arresting people using P2P file sharing software. How do people know how to acquire CP? They just need to read and listen to the NEWS reports given to journalists by LE which tell them CP is found using P2P software. That cultivates curiosity and that is why there are so many CP busts.

When someone searches on the P2P file sharing software it typically works as follows: initially, the user downloads a software program onto his own computer or Internet-enabled device that permits the individual to share and download files from the P2P network. Upon installation, the software typically creates two folders on the user’s computer by default: an “incomplete” folder, which contains pending downloads, and a “shared” folder, which contains fully downloaded files which are not readily available to the user unless they know how to search for them; until that time the file remains HIDDEN to the user in the, "AppData" file. Any files downloaded to, or other files placed in, the shared folder are immediately made available for sharing with all other users on the P2P network. When someone searches for lets say the word "TEEN" they are flooded with images to download: however they DO NOT KNOW if the images are what they asked for and they WON'T KNOW until they open the file and by then its too late. LE software has already already uploaded a TAGGED "TEEN" file to the hidden file on the users (victims) computer so it can be identified by its tag or bookmark with the IP address of the uploader. Then LE goes to a secret FISA court to obtain a search warrant for the IP address followed with a search warrant for the physical address of the IP leaser.

David Finkelhor, a sociologist who directs the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, says he sees the moral weight of the Supreme Court’s proclamation about CP, but not the empirical proof. “The evidence doesn’t yet tell us to what extent the experience of being a pornography victim aggravates the experience of the sexual abuse itself. How do you separate it out?”. Prosecutors like to say "Study after study links child sexual abuse to psychological trauma, addiction and violent relationships in adulthood." Except, those studies don't exist but so long as they say "study after study" we don't have to look too closely at what those studies say, who their subjects where, or what the results indicated.

I believe we are coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous one cannot believe it exists. I believe it's about CONTROL because the narrative is both convoluted and confusing. Military volunteers, are now supported in part by their military benefits to work with LE agencies to identify people in the business of child exploitation. Violating Posse Concomitants has to do with world government CONTROL of the internet and industry's ability to monetize it. Take the current World Wide CP witch hunt. University academics; Marc Liberatore, Brian Neil Levine, Clay Shields, and Brian Lynn in one of their papers say they wrote software for monitoring and investigating sharing of CP on Gnutella networks; However Roundup was already a simple-to-use as well as install issue-tracking system with command-line, web and e-mail interfaces. It was based on the winning design from Ka-Ping Yee in the Software Carpentry "Track" design competition. RoundUp was originally invested to track computer bugs, but it has features that allow it to scan networks for specific kinds of code. It works just fine on Gnutella net. So Professor Brian Levine and Research Scientist Marc Liberatore teamed up and received US grants in excess of two million to develop software now called RoundUp that was already available open source software and is now sold by Guidance Software a public company (NASDAQ: GUID) founded in 1997.

In the USA the CP witch hunt is being funded with close to ONE billion dollar bill that was attached to the Bank Bailout bill of 2008. Millions are being made selling the government hardware and software to go after the very thing they are scaring us about. It also created thousands of Homeland Security agent jobs. The government knew if they said it was for, "the children" not one would question them and (encase) in case someone did have question they did not have to comply with the freedom of information act because it is about "the children". They put in motion using the federal government one of the biggest grabs for tax dollars in recent times all using current, “child abuse” rhetoric. What happened? The masses fell for it including the USA’s Supreme Court hook line and sinker without even a question because it is about,”The Children”. When the exaggerations and distortions are discovered, their credibility and the credibility of the issue will be lost.

Johan Schlüter, head of the Danish Anti-Piracy Group remarked, "CP is great," and he said enthusiastically. "Politicians do not understand file sharing, but they understand CP, and they want to filter that to score points with the public. Once we get them to filter CP, we can get them to extend the block to file sharing. We must filter the Internet to win over online file sharing. But politicians don’t understand that file sharing is bad, and this is a problem for us. Therefore, we must associate file sharing with CP. Because that’s something the politicians understand, and something they want to filter off the Internet. CP is an issue they understand.” Schlüter grinned broadly. ” FOLLOW THE MONEY

The ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY(Thorn) and the Billion dollar CHILD ABUSE INDUSTRY(NCMEC) lobbied congress to pass laws that were never intended to save children; However the software used to enforce the law by LE only goes after some P2P filesharer who happens to download intentionally or not images of the harm done by someone else and doesn't rescue one child. This accounts for the high rate of arrests and incarceration that people read about daily. This Inquisition exposed a whole new group of people from whom to collect money where the legal system thrives. LE formally know as OFFICERS of the PEACE have become militaristic serving search Warrants while prosecutors traffic their CP Gothic Melodrama arrests in the MEDIA and taking advantage of the opportunity because it wins votes, and increases contributions to keep the people in their control.
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We have become a nation of VICTIMS brought to you by our GOVERNMENT legislators who are unable to do anything productive in Congress but find bipartisanship in child bills. Those who profit from child abuse is the multi BILLION dollar Child Abuse Industry that consists of THOUSANDS of ORGANIZATIONS with high paid CEO's and staff which is full of nefarious individuals that must convince both us and their victims that everything is abuse. News media, therapists, prosecutors, judges, lawyers and sex police. A government that lies to the people (weapons of mass destruction, NSA, etc. etc.) ceases to be the lawful government of this land; lies used to initiate search warrants for Child Pornography in search of pedophiles are the worst possible lies a government can commit against its own people.

Suspects in 30% of matters concluded in 2006 were declined due to weak or inadmissible evidence. 20% of matters concluded were declined due to lack of evidence of criminal intent (no crime established). 50% of the 2526 arrested for CP were never prosecuted. That means 1263 individuals had their lives destroyed, jobs lost, experienced huge financial losses, homes lost and cars gone credit wiped out for lack of payment, friendships lost, relatives keeping their distance, vigintiles threatening them, and all without going to trial because they were not properly investigated or should not have been investigated at all. Law enforcement choose to take the easy way out and just bust low hanging fruit P2P file sharers and those that are curious. The media reports only the gothic melodramas told to them by law enforcement without seeing the evidence; this stimulates curiosity and the rest is history. Jurisdictions still can't agree on a uniformed definition of CP and without knowing what they are talking about reporters report hearsay and nothing more. The poor sap P2P filesharer who pose no real risk to the community let alone a child get caught up in the madness.

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Hi, I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, Why don't you take a seat over there?


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Old 07-16-2015, 11:49 PM
 
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Law Enforcement (LE) has reviewed more than 121.6 million images and videos of child pornography (CP) but stated the majority of those are duplicates. Practically all the sexually explicit images of children circulating cybernetically except for sexting images are from a stack of yellowing pages found at the back of X-rated shops when it was legal now their digitized. These pictures from what I have read tend to twenty to fifty years old, made overseas, badly re-reproduced, and chaste. That's why federal agents never show journalists the contraband. Legislators have passed CP laws based on pedophile drama using pre internet research on a post internet society and LE, politicians assume there is a market for CP which there isn't. Today it is Individuals under 18 that are themselves creating it. The whole issue of sex is so easily manipulated especially be someone who has an agenda. Fortunately we have an internet to bring light into the darkness and expose the whole issue for what it is.

The increase in Internet sexual offending has been paralleled by a decrease in the number of reported child sexual abuse cases, and a decrease in violent crime (Mishra & Lalumière, 2009; Finkelhor & Jones, 2006) Have you read that in the media? NO!! This indicates that Internet sexual offending is a new phenomenon that may not be influenced by the same contextual factors as other kinds of sexual or violent crime. An important research question is the extent to which Internet sex offenders represent a new type of sex offender, or whether they reflect the transformation of conventional sexual offending through the adoption of new technologies (Seto & Hanson, 2011). The law was intended to save children; However the software LE uses only goes after some peer to peer (P2P) filesharer who happens to download intentionally or not images of the harm done by someone else and doesn't rescue one child.

LE(politicians) use CP Gothic Melodramas as they traffic alleged CP arrestees in front of the media for person gain that tends to whip the public into a frenzy, win political votes and stimulate curiosity. Combined with a computer bogeyman this process is being used and abused to achieve various objectives. However it is not acceptable to tackle these issue without facts when a person can be sent to PRISON. A CP arrest is the ultimate indictment where constitutional rights are eliminated and NO defense is allowed; it is being used for everything and every purpose. Have you ever been convinced by a salesperson that you really want and need a product, done something too instinctively, or made choices that seemed entirely out of character, then you've had an idea planted in your mind. No one wants to cause harm to a child (right, left or in between). Curiosity keeps people coming back whether there is a new piece of software or gadget because people know they might learn something new; that's our nature. Journalist unable to see the contraband report ONLY the, "Gothic Melodramas" LE traffics at news gatherings after a bust which develops curiosity. LE has learned from the social sciences on how to cultivate that curiosity which make their, “CP pull marketing” work and that is what is accounting for all the CP arrests. The real child pornographers; the people actually hurting children go free because they know how to to acquire the material without getting caught. In essence LE has only been arresting the low hanging fruit by arresting people using P2P file sharing software. How do people know how to acquire CP? They just need to read and listen to the NEWS reports given to journalists by LE which tell them CP is found using P2P software. That cultivates curiosity and that is why there are so many CP busts.

When someone searches on the P2P file sharing software it typically works as follows: initially, the user downloads a software program onto his own computer or Internet-enabled device that permits the individual to share and download files from the P2P network. Upon installation, the software typically creates two folders on the user’s computer by default: an “incomplete” folder, which contains pending downloads, and a “shared” folder, which contains fully downloaded files which are not readily available to the user unless they know how to search for them; until that time the file remains HIDDEN to the user in the, "AppData" file. Any files downloaded to, or other files placed in, the shared folder are immediately made available for sharing with all other users on the P2P network. When someone searches for lets say the word "TEEN" they are flooded with images to download: however they DO NOT KNOW if the images are what they asked for and they WON'T KNOW until they open the file and by then its too late. LE software has already already uploaded a TAGGED "TEEN" file to the hidden file on the users (victims) computer so it can be identified by its tag or bookmark with the IP address of the uploader. Then LE goes to a secret FISA court to obtain a search warrant for the IP address followed with a search warrant for the physical address of the IP leaser.

David Finkelhor, a sociologist who directs the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, says he sees the moral weight of the Supreme Court’s proclamation about CP, but not the empirical proof. “The evidence doesn’t yet tell us to what extent the experience of being a pornography victim aggravates the experience of the sexual abuse itself. How do you separate it out?”. Prosecutors like to say "Study after study links child sexual abuse to psychological trauma, addiction and violent relationships in adulthood." Except, those studies don't exist but so long as they say "study after study" we don't have to look too closely at what those studies say, who their subjects where, or what the results indicated.

I believe we are coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous one cannot believe it exists. I believe it's about CONTROL because the narrative is both convoluted and confusing. Military volunteers, are now supported in part by their military benefits to work with LE agencies to identify people in the business of child exploitation. Violating Posse Concomitants has to do with world government CONTROL of the internet and industry's ability to monetize it. Take the current World Wide CP witch hunt. University academics; Marc Liberatore, Brian Neil Levine, Clay Shields, and Brian Lynn in one of their papers say they wrote software for monitoring and investigating sharing of CP on Gnutella networks; However Roundup was already a simple-to-use as well as install issue-tracking system with command-line, web and e-mail interfaces. It was based on the winning design from Ka-Ping Yee in the Software Carpentry "Track" design competition. RoundUp was originally invested to track computer bugs, but it has features that allow it to scan networks for specific kinds of code. It works just fine on Gnutella net. So Professor Brian Levine and Research Scientist Marc Liberatore teamed up and received US grants in excess of two million to develop software now called RoundUp that was already available open source software and is now sold by Guidance Software a public company (NASDAQ: GUID) founded in 1997.

In the USA the CP witch hunt is being funded with close to ONE billion dollar bill that was attached to the Bank Bailout bill of 2008. Millions are being made selling the government hardware and software to go after the very thing they are scaring us about. It also created thousands of Homeland Security agent jobs. The government knew if they said it was for, "the children" not one would question them and (encase) in case someone did have question they did not have to comply with the freedom of information act because it is about "the children". They put in motion using the federal government one of the biggest grabs for tax dollars in recent times all using current, “child abuse” rhetoric. What happened? The masses fell for it including the USA’s Supreme Court hook line and sinker without even a question because it is about,”The Children”. When the exaggerations and distortions are discovered, their credibility and the credibility of the issue will be lost.

Johan Schlüter, head of the Danish Anti-Piracy Group remarked, "CP is great," and he said enthusiastically. "Politicians do not understand file sharing, but they understand CP, and they want to filter that to score points with the public. Once we get them to filter CP, we can get them to extend the block to file sharing. We must filter the Internet to win over online file sharing. But politicians don’t understand that file sharing is bad, and this is a problem for us. Therefore, we must associate file sharing with CP. Because that’s something the politicians understand, and something they want to filter off the Internet. CP is an issue they understand.” Schlüter grinned broadly. ” FOLLOW THE MONEY

The ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY(Thorn) and the Billion dollar CHILD ABUSE INDUSTRY(NCMEC) lobbied congress to pass laws that were never intended to save children; However the software used to enforce the law by LE only goes after some P2P filesharer who happens to download intentionally or not images of the harm done by someone else and doesn't rescue one child. This accounts for the high rate of arrests and incarceration that people read about daily. This Inquisition exposed a whole new group of people from whom to collect money where the legal system thrives. LE formally know as OFFICERS of the PEACE have become militaristic serving search Warrants while prosecutors traffic their CP Gothic Melodrama arrests in the MEDIA and taking advantage of the opportunity because it wins votes, and increases contributions to keep the people in their control.
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We have become a nation of VICTIMS brought to you by our GOVERNMENT legislators who are unable to do anything productive in Congress but find bipartisanship in child bills. Those who profit from child abuse is the multi BILLION dollar Child Abuse Industry that consists of THOUSANDS of ORGANIZATIONS with high paid CEO's and staff which is full of nefarious individuals that must convince both us and their victims that everything is abuse. News media, therapists, prosecutors, judges, lawyers and sex police. A government that lies to the people (weapons of mass destruction, NSA, etc. etc.) ceases to be the lawful government of this land; lies used to initiate search warrants for Child Pornography in search of pedophiles are the worst possible lies a government can commit against its own people.

Suspects in 30% of matters concluded in 2006 were declined due to weak or inadmissible evidence. 20% of matters concluded were declined due to lack of evidence of criminal intent (no crime established). 50% of the 2526 arrested for CP were never prosecuted. That means 1263 individuals had their lives destroyed, jobs lost, experienced huge financial losses, homes lost and cars gone credit wiped out for lack of payment, friendships lost, relatives keeping their distance, vigintiles threatening them, and all without going to trial because they were not properly investigated or should not have been investigated at all. Law enforcement choose to take the easy way out and just bust low hanging fruit P2P file sharers and those that are curious. The media reports only the gothic melodramas told to them by law enforcement without seeing the evidence; this stimulates curiosity and the rest is history. Jurisdictions still can't agree on a uniformed definition of CP and without knowing what they are talking about reporters report hearsay and nothing more. The poor sap P2P filesharer who pose no real risk to the community let alone a child get caught up in the madness.
Dude. You are either off the meds or are trying to defend your "hobby." Either way, you are so far off base it's scary.
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