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Old 01-19-2018, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County MD
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There's a bunch of that kind of stuff as you get out toward Morrisville and West Cary. Morrisville Parkway, Airport Blvd, and McCrimmon Parkway being examples of discontinuity.
All those new sections have been built willy-nilly in recent years as they extend the original roads westward. They shouldn't have done it if they couldn't have made them continuous.
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Old 01-19-2018, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County MD
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There is a stretch of Western Blvd in Raleigh off of I-40 Exit 291 that is only 2200 feet long. It is 4/5 mile from the rest of Western Blvd, but there are plans to connect them.
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Old 01-19-2018, 08:52 PM
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All those new sections have been built willy-nilly in recent years as they extend the original roads westward. They shouldn't have done it if they couldn't have made them continuous.
It's partially a cost thing, which I agree with. They kind of rely on developers to help build their share. When a new plan is proposed, the developer pays into a pool to build a section of road fronting their development. Hence how the "willy-nilly" sections occur.

Else the city/town is just having to front the money themselves in a lot of instances.

I'm over-simplifying but whatever.
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Old 01-20-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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All those new sections have been built willy-nilly in recent years as they extend the original roads westward. They shouldn't have done it if they couldn't have made them continuous.
You’re right! All roads should remain dirt track farm roads until the day they can be built continuously to their finally largest possible size!

Or we can just raise taxes triple what they are now and build all the infrastructure we will even need. Of course then there’s upkeep on that infrastructure that’s not really needed now. Better make that quadruple. And of course, you’ll be taking lots of people’s property that they don’t want to sell to build these roads.

Or maybe only allow each property to be built in order, starting at the center of a town. You're the owner of a large farm, your kids don’t want to keep it and want to sell off your land to retire? Too bad, since the neighbors closer to town don’t want to sell yet and since there would be a gap, you’re not allowed to!


Or, cities and towns they can do what they’ve been doing which is have a long range plan of what roads will go where, require developers to build what’s needed to access the land they own or kick in 150% of the estimated cost of the required improvements and try their best to fill in gaps with public money when they need to, while still keeping taxes at a very reasonable level.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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What happened to Leesville and Lead Mine is even weirder
Circa 1930, Leesville Road was NC State Highway 9 providing a back way between Raleigh and Durham. At that time, what we now know as US 70 beside the Angus Barn hadn't been built -- it came after World War II and was essentially a straightened version of Leesville Road. The original US 70 ran through Cary and Morrisville.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Apex NC, the Peak of Good Loving.
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Traveling east, Lewter Shop Road changes name to Morrisville Parkway as it crosses the line from Chatham County into Wake County. That stretch of road was formerly Green Level Church Road. Now, Green Level Church Road travels north to NC55, along what was formerly known by a different name (IIRC it was Durham Road and/or Alston Avenue).

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Old 01-20-2018, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County MD
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Traveling east, Lewter Shop Road changes name to Morrisville Parkway as it crosses the line from Chatham County into Wake County. That stretch of road was formerly Green Level Church Road. Now, Green Level Church Road travels north to NC55, along what was formerly known by a different name (IIRC it was Durham Road and/or Alston Avenue).

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In the early 90's I used to go on Cycling Spoken Here group rides to west Cary. It's difficult trying to trace the original route these days, as so much has changed since then.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County MD
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You’re right! All roads should remain dirt track farm roads until the day they can be built continuously to their finally largest possible size!

Or we can just raise taxes triple what they are now and build all the infrastructure we will even need. Of course then there’s upkeep on that infrastructure that’s not really needed now. Better make that quadruple. And of course, you’ll be taking lots of people’s property that they don’t want to sell to build these roads.

Or maybe only allow each property to be built in order, starting at the center of a town. You're the owner of a large farm, your kids don’t want to keep it and want to sell off your land to retire? Too bad, since the neighbors closer to town don’t want to sell yet and since there would be a gap, you’re not allowed to!

Or, cities and towns they can do what they’ve been doing which is have a long range plan of what roads will go where, require developers to build what’s needed to access the land they own or kick in 150% of the estimated cost of the required improvements and try their best to fill in gaps with public money when they need to, while still keeping taxes at a very reasonable level.
Valid points, but it just leads to years of confusion for everyone.
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Old 01-20-2018, 07:24 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Circa 1930, Leesville Road was NC State Highway 9 providing a back way between Raleigh and Durham. At that time, what we now know as US 70 beside the Angus Barn hadn't been built -- it came after World War II and was essentially a straightened version of Leesville Road. The original US 70 ran through Cary and Morrisville.
That is fascinating to learn. I've always wondered about US 70. Did it replace a former highway called NC Route 10? I've spent years poking around maps of NC, and have noticed several roads labeled as 'Old NC Hwy 10' (or similar) throughout the state, typically parallel to US 70. There's a section just south of US 70 and I-85 between Durham and Hillsborough that clearly used to continue on to what is now US Business 70.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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Read about the original NC 10 at NCRoads.com: N.C. 10. As far back as the 1910s, the State of NC had pushed for a Central Highway, mountains to the sea. It came to be designated NC 10. Only parts of it were paved, of course. In the late 1920s the U.S. highways route system was launched. Much of NC 10 was designated US 70, which at one time extended from NC to California. In 1934 the State revised its highway numbering.

Highways have always moved around, creating many "old NC nn" and "old US nn".
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