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Old 05-25-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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You have to look at the base that you are starting with, though. I have no idea what they are for each city, but it's easier to increase/decrease by 5% if you have a small base of IT jobs to begin with. Unless Chicago and Raleigh have the same number of IT jobs to begin with, the 5% rate change in each city does not equate to the same number of jobs.
Agree. The previous poster mentioned in another forum being from Chicagoland and looking at IT opportunities here, and I had previously given advice. The Chicago Information sector is larger, so their % declines turn into a hemorrhage in numbers. Triangle is smaller, though not by any means small, but growing at a good clip. I used an individualized reference point to show greener pastures, just not total acreage... . If you like math, statistics, and Econ, like I do, the US BLS has the data to to run. I just chose not to do it from my iPad in the hammock. I’m off today, so I’m being helpful, but not nerdy. Enjoy the weekend.
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Old 05-25-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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Hey, at least the Triangle doesn't have any of the 189 towns in North Carolina that lost population, among them Goldsboro, Lumberton, Kinston, Rocky Mount and Fayetteville. Some other big towns in the state weren't doing so hot either, like High Point (only 299 more than the previous year, an 0.3 percent increase), Asheville (712 more, or 0.8 percent growth), Jacksonville (just 3 new people!) and Wilson (88, o4 0.2 percent growth).

U.S. Census: 7 Triangle towns are NC's fastest growing | News & Observer


Fayetteville proper lost people, but Hoke County "West Fayetteville" and southern Harnett "North Fayetteville" have gained quite a few people over the years.
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Wake County again grew faster (2.2%) than Raleigh (1.3%). The percentage of county population living in Raleigh is down to 43%. It was 45% in 2010 and 50% in 1990.

Among local counties the winner is Johnston, which grew 2.9%. Chatham (2.4%) and Franklin (2.3%) also grew faster than Wake, which grew faster than Durham (1.5%) or Orange (1.6%).

I wonder how much of the city of Durham's increase is actually in Wake County.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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Wake County again grew faster (2.2%) than Raleigh (1.3%). The percentage of county population living in Raleigh is down to 43%. It was 45% in 2010 and 50% in 1990.

Among local counties the winner is Johnston, which grew 2.9%. Chatham (2.4%) and Franklin (2.3%) also grew faster than Wake, which grew faster than Durham (1.5%) or Orange (1.6%).

I wonder how much of the city of Durham's increase is actually in Wake County.
Makes sense though, since now it is much harder for cities to annex land. A lot of the growth will now be in the unincorporated areas.
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:36 PM
 
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Agree. The previous poster mentioned in another forum being from Chicagoland and looking at IT opportunities here, and I had previously given advice. The Chicago Information sector is larger, so their % declines turn into a hemorrhage in numbers. Triangle is smaller, though not by any means small, but growing at a good clip. I used an individualized reference point to show greener pastures, just not total acreage... . If you like math, statistics, and Econ, like I do, the US BLS has the data to to run. I just chose not to do it from my iPad in the hammock. I’m off today, so I’m being helpful, but not nerdy. Enjoy the weekend.
Would like to as well, how Chicago IT compares to RTP. Not just Raleigh.
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Old 05-25-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Wake County again grew faster (2.2%) than Raleigh (1.3%). The percentage of county population living in Raleigh is down to 43%. It was 45% in 2010 and 50% in 1990.

Among local counties the winner is Johnston, which grew 2.9%. Chatham (2.4%) and Franklin (2.3%) also grew faster than Wake, which grew faster than Durham (1.5%) or Orange (1.6%).

I wonder how much of the city of Durham's increase is actually in Wake County.
Wake County's growth rate is impressive since its base population is so enormous. Wake continues to grow at a faster rate than Durham County, despite the fact that it's more than 3X the population.
Durham city, on the other hand, is growing at a faster rate than Raleigh, despite the fact that population spread between the two cities only continues to grow.

The question about how much of Durham's city growth is in Wake is actually a better question when it's posed instead as Cary's growth in Chatham.

The fact that Raleigh's % of Wake has only shrunk by 2 percentage points is impressive considering that Wake has grown so explosively and Raleigh has to grow primarily within its existing boundaries. That said, Raleigh's growth will continue to slow unless the annexation laws are loosened in the future. It's already the most densely populated major city in the state, and getting denser is more challenging.
Using data from the Census website (though I highly doubt that the land areas on it are up to date because we know that some annexation continues to occur especially in places like Cary, Apex, etc.), These are the densities of the major NC cities:
  • Charlotte: 859,035 @ 297.68 sqm = 2885 ppl/sqm
  • Raleigh: 464,758 @ 142.9 sqm = 3,252 ppl/sqm
  • Greensboro: 290,222 @ 126.52 sqm = 2,294 ppl/sqm
  • Durham: 267,743 @ 107.37 = 2,494 ppl/sqm
  • Winston-Salem: 244,605 @ 132.45 sqm = 1,847 ppl/sqm
  • Fayetteville: 209,889 @ 145.85 sqm = 1,439 ppl/sqm
  • Cary: 165,904 @ 54.34 sqm = 3,053 ppl/sqm***

***My guess is that Cary's land area has considerably grown relative to its population: more so than the other cities on the list. There's been a substantial push into Chatham since 2010.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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Wake County again grew faster (2.2%) than Raleigh (1.3%). The percentage of county population living in Raleigh is down to 43%. It was 45% in 2010 and 50% in 1990.

Among local counties the winner is Johnston, which grew 2.9%. Chatham (2.4%) and Franklin (2.3%) also grew faster than Wake, which grew faster than Durham (1.5%) or Orange (1.6%).

I wonder how much of the city of Durham's increase is actually in Wake County.
It is a teeny-tiny portion of Durham that is in Wake County. A non-factor in the growth rate for the city. There is a similar-sized portion of Raleigh in Durham County. Also a non-factor in Raleigh's growth rate.
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Old 05-26-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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Hey, at least the Triangle doesn't have any of the 189 towns in North Carolina that lost population, among them Goldsboro, Lumberton, Kinston, Rocky Mount and Fayetteville. Some other big towns in the state weren't doing so hot either, like High Point (only 299 more than the previous year, an 0.3 percent increase), Asheville (712 more, or 0.8 percent growth), Jacksonville (just 3 new people!) and Wilson (88, o4 0.2 percent growth).

U.S. Census: 7 Triangle towns are NC's fastest growing | News & Observer
I would attribute a lot of those losses to Hurricane Matthew, which hit eastern NC really hard and caused worse flooding than Floyd. Hell, people there are still waiting for help. Military towns also tend to fluctuate. County population numbers would also tell if those who left the towns/cities moved outside of city limits and into the county rather than leave the area altogether.

However, there’s no question that eastern NC is overall economically depressed and certainly does play a role.

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Old 05-26-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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... These are the densities of the major NC cities:
  • Charlotte: 859,035 @ 297.68 sqm = 2885 ppl/sqm
  • Raleigh: 464,758 @ 142.9 sqm = 3,252 ppl/sqm
  • Greensboro: 290,222 @ 126.52 sqm = 2,294 ppl/sqm
  • Durham: 267,743 @ 107.37 = 2,494 ppl/sqm
  • Winston-Salem: 244,605 @ 132.45 sqm = 1,847 ppl/sqm
  • Fayetteville: 209,889 @ 145.85 sqm = 1,439 ppl/sqm
  • Cary: 165,904 @ 54.34 sqm = 3,053 ppl/sqm***
Is there an online map that illustrates the currently unincorporated areas in Wake County? I'm particularly interested in the are covered by the (to me) bizarre 27603 zip code area: https://goo.gl/maps/AfqqPVNzxP42
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Old 05-27-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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That said, Raleigh's growth will continue to slow unless the annexation laws are loosened in the future... we know that some annexation continues to occur especially in places like Cary, Apex, etc.)
The only annexation happening these days is voluntary, typically when the developer of a new subdivision wants municipal services. Raleigh can't do much of that because most of the areas yet to be developed in Wake County are earmarked for other municipalities.

Although there are some in-fill opportunities for single family homes, even with small lot sizes, Raleigh's growth will have to come mainly from multi-story apartments and condos. Even if a future NC General Assembly amends the annexation laws to make involuntary annexation possible again, there aren't many directions where Raleigh could expand into.
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