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If people are nervous because vaccinated people are still getting infected with COVID….they really need to spend some time off Facebook (or the news) and put their noses in some books..
Vaccines are not magical force fields. They are not Bubble Boy…Bubbles. They are not multi layered hazmat suits. They are our best method of teaching our immune systems how to battle pathogens without actually battling said pathogens so when we are exposed to said pathogens, our bodies can fight them better. And most are less than 100% effective at doing that.
Anxiety and unrealistic, ungrounded expectations…tough combo there
If people are nervous because vaccinated people are still getting infected with COVID….they really need to spend some time off Facebook (or the news) and put their noses in some books..
Vaccines are not magical force fields. They are not Bubble Boy…Bubbles. They are not multi layered hazmat suits. They are our best method of teaching our immune systems how to battle pathogens without actually battling said pathogens so when we are exposed to said pathogens, our bodies can fight them better. And most are less than 100% effective at doing that.
Anxiety and unrealistic, ungrounded expectations…tough combo there
I think part of the problem was timing. When people first started getting vaccinated we simultaneously saw a drastic drop in numbers. Obviously a good part of that was seasonality, but I think it got people's hopes up that the vaccine was going to just make Covid disappear.
Also, the experts did say for a long time that we would have "herd immunity" at 70-80% vaccination rate. I think most (myself included) thought that meant "hey, we don't need to worry about this virus anymore because numbers are so extremely low". Clearly the infection rates will never get that low since we now know that the vaccinated are also getting and spreading, but I don't think that means we still need to worry as much as we have.
I know I never shut up about this, but something needs to change in the way we look at the virus. We have good vaccines and that's all we can do. It's time to start working on how we view this virus, and that unfortunately needs to start with the media. I don't know how we fix that.
It will help when our hospitals aren't at constant risk of being overwhelmed by COVID patients. That's the part that keeps giving me pause.
It will help when our hospitals aren't at constant risk of being overwhelmed by COVID patients. That's the part that keeps giving me pause.
Lets assume that's not going to happen, which it may not (seasonally of course). What's the better solution - put eligible non-vaccinated people at the bottom of the triage list, or give money to hospitals to support increased staff and space?
Hypothetical question of course....I don't know the answer. Hopefully improved therapeutics will solve this problem eventually.
If I were an anti-vaxer, I would be saying "there's no way the government would ever disapprove a vaccine that they encouraged over 50% of the population to get under EUA".
Not saying I agree, but I'd guess that's what's going through their minds.
There is absolutely nothing that will convince some people that the vaccine is safe and COVID is not BS. They will continue to spin the story to fit their narrative.
I think part of the problem was timing. When people first started getting vaccinated we simultaneously saw a drastic drop in numbers. Obviously a good part of that was seasonality, but I think it got people's hopes up that the vaccine was going to just make Covid disappear.
Also, the experts did say for a long time that we would have "herd immunity" at 70-80% vaccination rate. I think most (myself included) thought that meant "hey, we don't need to worry about this virus anymore because numbers are so extremely low". Clearly the infection rates will never get that low since we now know that the vaccinated are also getting and spreading, but I don't think that means we still need to worry as much as we have.
Saw my dad for the first time in two years last week. Had 20 people (including a bunch of kids who have been back in school since July) at our place on Friday night. I made Eastern NC Pulled pork with the fixins. He and I pounded a bottle of Four Roses and a bottle of JW Double Black. Ended the night with a couple of gummies.
My dad is a heart attack survivor and a “diet has it under control” Type II Diabetic. No one batted an eye, second guessed anything, sat in the corner worried about whatever. Everyone (minus the kids) is vaxxed and we did us.
And I say this as someone who has, as my posting history here will clearly lay out for the world to see, taken this more seriously than the average bear since the drop. I’ve ended friendships over laissez faire approaches to COVID (pre vaccine timeline).
COVID isn’t disappearing. We aren’t close to herd immunity. Herd immunity doesn’t mean there isn’t any spread.
Again, seems like people just have unrealistic expectations for what “is is”. Between that and the polar opposite on the other side, help us Obi-Wan Kenobe….you’re our only hope.
There is absolutely nothing that will convince some people that the vaccine is safe and COVID is not BS. They will continue to spin the story to fit their narrative.
Correct.
This was never about “EUA” or “FDA Approved”
This is and always has been “**** you, you can’t tell me what to do” for a good many of those who won’t get it.
I know I never shut up about this, but something needs to change in the way we look at the virus. We have good vaccines and that's all we can do. It's time to start working on how we view this virus, and that unfortunately needs to start with the media. I don't know how we fix that.
We have good vaccines, but not for everyone yet. I think you have to get to all children being eligible first.
There is absolutely nothing that will convince some people that the vaccine is safe and COVID is not BS. They will continue to spin the story to fit their narrative.
Until they go on the vent and beg for the vax (vaccines are not cures) and beg their family to tell the world to get vaccinated.
Lets assume that's not going to happen, which it may not (seasonally of course). What's the better solution - put eligible non-vaccinated people at the bottom of the triage list, or give money to hospitals to support increased staff and space?
Hypothetical question of course....I don't know the answer. Hopefully improved therapeutics will solve this problem eventually.
How are hospitals supposed to increase staff? If you were in medical school right now would you specialize in a field where you’d be dealing with this crap or would you go into orthopedics, neuro, anesthesia etc? People aren’t going to start going to medical school in droves after this. My nieces husband is a doctor. Medical school and residency are hell and you’re left with a ton of debt as it is.
The way we “approach” this virus is to take the number of people getting sick down to manageable levels so the healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed. If you took away the polio vaccine we’d be seeing the same thing happening and no one would stand for it.
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