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What do they teach them kids in school these days? Men had less access to sex? When? And what men? Prior to the passage of Title VII, working women were considered fair game for their male supervisors and even similarly ranked co-workers, and often found that they had to have sex with their superiors as a condition of keeping their jobs. Laws governing rape were heavily tilted in favor of the perpetrator. And husbands certainly didn't have to be nice in order to get sex.
You are 20 and you understand women? Hahahaha. What qualifications do you have for such a claim?
A lot of general culture, life experience and Books I've read. I'm also a Good Latin Dancer. What do you expect from a Latino . This is what you get when You have the love of a mom and a dad with 25 years of marriage. You get so much love that you could feed the heart of every craving women.
Thats where the problem is...I can only choose ONE woman to be my wife.
A lot of general culture, life experience and Books I've read. I'm also a Good Latin Dancer. What do you expect from a Latino . This is what you get when You have the love of a mom and a dad with 25 years of marriage. You get so much love that you could feed the heart of every craving women.
Thats where the problem is...I can only choose ONE woman to be my wife.
Not so fast, young grasshopper. You are missing one VERY important thing.
I'm only 20 actually. But I understand women and the changes that The feminism caused. It facilitated the approach of men in dating by making sex more accessible but it complicated relationships for women because Sex doesn't save a relationship. If something as pleasurable as sex isn't able to save a relationship then women are really in trouble. (my opinion feminism seems to have become a Double edged sword).
Actually that's not quite right. I think it's more about control. Women used to rely on men and honestly had to get married unless they were rich. I'm going waaay back.
When they got married they lost the ability to own property. Everything was in their husbands control. They could not even get a divorce. Feminism brought the ability for women to vote, have an abortion, use birth control, divorce and survive in the work place without men. Women don't need men anymore as much. Sadly in the process, men have been devalued and now they are in limbo as they try to find their place in society.
I think that's why we have so many men who don't want to get married. This of course is not true for all men but I think the loss of an absolute authoritative role affects the appeal of marriage. Instead they remain single so they can have that control.
Actually that's not quite right. I think it's more about control. Women used to rely on men and honestly had to get married unless they were rich. I'm going waaay back.
When they got married they lost the ability to own property. Everything was in their husbands control. They could not even get a divorce. Feminism brought the ability for women to vote, have an abortion, use birth control, divorce and survive in the work place without men. Women don't need men anymore as much. Sadly in the process, men have been devalued and now they are in limbo as they try to find their place in society.
I think that's why we have so many men who don't want to get married. This of course is not true for all men but I think the loss of an absolute authoritative role affects the appeal of marriage. Instead they remain single so they can have that control.
Actually, going way back, men and women needed each other. There was men's work and women's work, and rarely did one do the other. Because both partners in a union were needed, men and women often got into loveless marriages, or more likely, never expected it as much in the first place. When one lost a partner, they often struggled, and that goes for the men too. Like what man would want to spend a day out in the fields farming and then come in, in the evening and have to make a fire and cook up a supper and do the dishes and all the other housework w/o the benefit of dishwashers, microwaves, or heat n' eat meals.
I think you bring up a good point about men though too. They are often devalued by society--popular culture often makes men out to be real idiots, esp dads. Women are portrayed as being more competent and if it's a kid's show, then they are the smartest and coolest ones. Just think of The Simpsons, and then go from there and you'll see what I mean. Add to that the fact that women are feeling the pressure to be the strong and competent ones and it's easy to see that nobody is happy. Yes, I'm glad we can vote and get a divorce when we need to and have the job that we want, but why can't we have some balance at the same time? Why did we have to turn everything on its head? Call me old fashioned but I want to look up to and respect my partner.
OMG Chris, you hit a nerve. I'm a woman and I totally agree. We're da**ed if we do and da**ed if we don't and if anyone has gotten liberated, it's the men. Men used to have to work pretty hard to get sex, but now they see it as their God given right and then get on here and moan when they get it, b/c the woman isn't quality enough. Well the OP can just wake up and smell the coffee and learn to realize that with any woman who might be relationship material, he might have to hold out for more than 3 dates. Or not, since it's really in how they relate, and it doesn't sound like he's relating to these women so I guess he figures he may as well try and see what he can get from them.
And it's not just sex. Yes, I'm glad we can have careers now and can do pretty much any job a man can do, but what often happens is that a woman has babies and wants to stay home with them but doesn't b/c she's treated like a second class citizen if she does. So she keeps a full time job and does most of the housework and work with the kids and wonders why she's so tired. I'm not saying every woman would want to stay home or that no man helps at home--I'm saying that women's rights were supposed to be about choice.
And Urban had it right--we're hemmed in by these paradoxes that make living very confusing and stressful. Women are expected to put out in the bedroom in a manner similar to what men see on the porn flix. Men are expected to make love in a manner similar to what the women read about in their Harlequin romances or chick flix. All are expected to go out and earn as much money as possible so they can buy the biggest house possible so they can fill it with as much stuff as possible; they're expected to make sure their little darlings get as many opportunities and activities as possible and then they're expected to sit down at the end of the day and listen to one another. Is it any wonder that antidepressants are the biggest sellers?
Me? I'm all for a simpler lifestyle. Why not just drop our expectations for other peoples' behavior and pay attention to our own and what we really want? We'd all be happier--esp Pub. And don't worry Chris--not ragging on you--you just got me started and what you said was great. And now I'll stop.
Very nice post. I am one of the people looking for the simple life as well. I hate the way society groups people into categories and judges us if we don't live up to "their" expectations.
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Actually, going way back, men and women needed each other. There was men's work and women's work, and rarely did one do the other. Because both partners in a union were needed, men and women often got into loveless marriages, or more likely, never expected it as much in the first place. When one lost a partner, they often struggled, and that goes for the men too. Like what man would want to spend a day out in the fields farming and then come in, in the evening and have to make a fire and cook up a supper and do the dishes and all the other housework w/o the benefit of dishwashers, microwaves, or heat n' eat meals.
I think you bring up a good point about men though too. They are often devalued by society--popular culture often makes men out to be real idiots, esp dads. Women are portrayed as being more competent and if it's a kid's show, then they are the smartest and coolest ones. Just think of The Simpsons, and then go from there and you'll see what I mean. Add to that the fact that women are feeling the pressure to be the strong and competent ones and it's easy to see that nobody is happy. Yes, I'm glad we can vote and get a divorce when we need to and have the job that we want, but why can't we have some balance at the same time? Why did we have to turn everything on its head? Call me old fashioned but I want to look up to and respect my partner.
You are right that women and men had a different relationship but was not peachy. It was a business relationship really. Some married for love but in general women provided men comfort via sex, taking care of the home, bearing children in exchange for security through a job that brings in income or wealth. Once women were married they lost their standing as a person. They were fused with the man. They could not own property and actually many laws were written around the woman being available to provide comfort for her husband.
The good thing about those days is that families often would work together side by side in the fields or making meals, the industrial revolution was when things started to change when women and children entered the work force. Anyway my point was about control. Sure men and women played different roles but the main fact was that men had sheer control of their wife and family.
I respect my husband and love him, and he respects me. I don't know what the answer is but all I know is that I would never want to go back to those days. Not in one million, trillion years. I like that I could get an education without scrutiny. (Did you know that it was a common held belief that getting an education could cause a woman to go crazy because it was not in her nature to handle it? The coined term hysteria comes from Greek which means uterus. It was an illness created by men to label women.)
By the way, I'm not a hardcore feminist. I feel passionate about this and will always remain grateful to the opportunity women have now.
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. This is what you get when You have the love of a mom and a dad with 25 years of marriage. You get so much love that you could feed the heart of every craving women. 
Women used to rely on men and honestly had to get married unless they were rich. I'm going waaay back. 
