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Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948
homosexual experience is slightly higher in women but men get 100% of the negative attention on this issue.
strange world.
I was thinking the other day that men are not really eroticized in this culture, like in many cultures past, that is why the idea of two men together is still seen as sort of coarse and vulgar. Society has been conditioned to find the female form the epitome of sensual beauty, which is why you'll even hear women say how they 'prefer' the female body while still saying they are straight. It's hard to find any straight porn where men are portrayed in an erotic light, and most gay porn is more 'full on' like straight porn. In contrast lesbian porn features a lot of foreplay etc (some of it, at least) because by natural women are supposed to care more about that aspect of it.
The penetration thing is also a big thing with the discomfort towards male homosexuality. I think a lot of people think of lesbianism as 'no big deal' in comparison to sex between two men. Of course this wasn't always the case. In the past, societies which have tolerated lesbianism tended to tolerate male homosexuality first (those that condemned one tended to condemn both. While Jewish law was more lenient on female homosexuality, it can hardly be said to have approved of it. Muslim and Christian societies flatly condemned any sort of same-sex behaviour). 21st century society seems unique in that it eroticizes females a great deal more than men, approves of lesbianism more than male homosexuality (despite political acceptance), which leads to more women entertaining the idea of same sex attraction, which most of us have the potential for. The fact that lesbianism has penetrated the straight sexual domain (the popularity of threesomes, lesbian porn) is further fuelling this shift in thinking and norms.
I was thinking the other day that men are not really eroticized in this culture, like in many cultures past, that is why the idea of two men together is still seen as sort of coarse and vulgar. Society has been conditioned to find the female form the epitome of sensual beauty, which is why you'll even hear women say how they 'prefer' the female body while still saying they are straight. It's hard to find any straight porn where men are portrayed in an erotic light, and most gay porn is more 'full on' like straight porn. In contrast lesbian porn features a lot of foreplay etc (some of it, at least) because by natural women are supposed to care more about that aspect of it.
The penetration thing is also a big thing with the discomfort towards male homosexuality. I think a lot of people think of lesbianism as 'no big deal' in comparison to sex between two men. Of course this wasn't always the case. In the past, societies which have tolerated lesbianism tended to tolerate male homosexuality first (those that condemned one tended to condemn both. While Jewish law was more lenient on female homosexuality, it can hardly be said to have approved of it. Muslim and Christian societies flatly condemned any sort of same-sex behaviour). 21st century society seems unique in that it eroticizes females a great deal more than men, approves of lesbianism more than male homosexuality (despite political acceptance), which leads to more women entertaining the idea of same sex attraction, which most of us have the potential for. The fact that lesbianism has penetrated the straight sexual domain (the popularity of threesomes, lesbian porn) is further fuelling this shift in thinking and norms.
Right on
"lesbian porn features a lot of foreplay etc (some of it, at least)"
Thats because that all they have. They don't have the needed parts to consumate the act as a man and a woman do. The most that Lesbians can do, male/Females couples just consider foreplay.
"Society has been conditioned to find the female form the epitome of sensual beauty," Ive pointed this out before, but in ancient Greece, Rome and other cultures it can be argued the the male form as seen in their statues was appreciated as much as the female form. The statues of the men are typically muscular but graceful. The ideal woman at the time was much larger then the ideal of current times
The other thing about porn is its not real. How many woman in the real world look like Bi or Lesbian porn star. In real life the likelyhood is a typical Lesbian is not going to be anyone that a man looks at in an erotic sense.
LOL- I've NEVER had any desire to be with another woman in my entire life--- nor have most of the women I know. So--- I find that "study" to be skewed indeed. Now, I, and EVERY other woman I know has had some guy at some point TRY to get them to be "interested" in another woman either along with them, or in front of them... Big difference.
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Right on
"lesbian porn features a lot of foreplay etc (some of it, at least)"
Thats because that all they have. They don't have the needed parts to consumate the act as a man and a woman do. The most that Lesbians can do, male/Females couples just consider foreplay.
"Society has been conditioned to find the female form the epitome of sensual beauty," Ive pointed this out before, but in ancient Greece, Rome and other cultures it can be argued the the male form as seen in their statues was appreciated as much as the female form. The statues of the men are typically muscular but graceful. The ideal woman at the time was much larger then the ideal of current times
The other thing about porn is its not real. How many woman in the real world look like Bi or Lesbian porn star. In real life the likelyhood is a typical Lesbian is not going to be anyone that a man looks at in an erotic sense.
Yes, unless you count 'tribbing' as sex. Oral sex isn't really sex sex.
It's kind of interesting how the male form was more celebrated in ancient Greece, and the Greeks were known to be unashamedly homosexual/bi-sexual (probably more the latter). If you believe history most Greek men indulged in sex with both men and women. These probably included men who would be pretty straight today. I am fairly sure that society could condition women to be the same in this society. It would might a create a sort of very matriachal society, something interesting to think about. Almost like a Sapphic version of Greek society.
"lesbian porn features a lot of foreplay etc (some of it, at least)"
Thats because that all they have. They don't have the needed parts to consumate the act as a man and a woman do. The most that Lesbians can do, male/Females couples just consider foreplay.
This seems like a simplistic view of female sexuality. A woman can have an orgasm without any penetration being involved (and many women can't be satisfied by penetrative sex alone, actually,) but that doesn't mean that she didn't have sex if he didn't "stick it in."
This seems like a simplistic view of female sexuality. A woman can have an orgasm without any penetration being involved (and many women can't be satisfied by penetrative sex alone, actually,) but that doesn't mean that she didn't have sex if he didn't "stick it in."
"stick it in"
You make it sound so un-natural. It may not sound desirable to a lesbian but it is one of the most natural acts a man and woman can engage in together.
Of course I was referring to consummation in its strictest, most natural forms: ie the male and female parts made by nature to come together. Given two sexually experienced, open and healthy adults most all men and woman can orgasm during conventional sex. I have never been with a woman who has told me to stop at fore play ever and I havent been with a woman in 10 years who could not orgasm conventionally. It's natural, its healthy and I don't think it's going away any time soon...Thank God!
"stick it in"
You make it sound so un-natural. It may not sound desirable to a lesbian but it is one of the most natural acts a man and woman can engage in together.
Of course I was referring to consummation in its strictest, most natural forms: ie the male and female parts made by nature to come together. Given two sexually experienced, open and healthy adults most all men and woman can orgasm during conventional sex. I have never been with a woman who has told me to stop at fore play ever and I havent been with a woman in 10 years who could not orgasm conventionally. It's natural, its healthy and I don't think it's going away any time soon...Thank God!
I didn't mean to imply that intercourse between a man and woman was in any way sub-par, but your post that I quoted in a previous post made it sound like you believe that there has to be a penis (or at least penetration of some sort) involved for sex to happen. A lot of guys think this way, because for them, it's true. For women, it's not. Whether you've come across it or not, it's really not uncommon for women to not climax from intercourse alone.
I didn't mean to imply that intercourse between a man and woman was in any way sub-par, but your post that I quoted in a previous post made it sound like you believe that there has to be a penis (or at least penetration of some sort) involved for sex to happen. A lot of guys think this way, because for them, it's true. For women, it's not. Whether you've come across it or not, it's really not uncommon for women to not climax from intercourse alone.
Nope, like a said above "Consumation in the traditional sense", I was not referring to just a climax even though I would view it as being less than desireable if I was a woman who couldn't get there.
I do know that there are many women and even an occasional man that can not climax from traditional sex. I remember in my 20's finding several women that weren't capable of getting there with out additional means and one who I would have to go to extraordinary means to get there. late 20 and into the 30s seems to be less prevalent. I'm sure that women are more comfortable with therir sexuality now than then, and view it as an expectation and not an exception. I'm sure that there are a percentage of men that just aren't good lovers either.
Guys, watch how your lady interacts with her "bff" or "best friend" or the women who she hangs out with the most. That's who your bisexual women will most likely cheat on you with.
I used to find lesbianism and women kissing an extreme turn on but now it's annoying. If I see 2 women kissing on tv, I just flip the channel lol
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