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Old 01-08-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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When did I say manipulation? You keep interjecting.

Holding out IS manipulation.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:38 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Then go for it my friend - whatever makes you happy.

You lost a 'lover' to a relationship so this was just a sex partner and we are talking LTR's here.

She was a LTR. And she wasn't "just" a sex partner, we were together 8 years and we're still close friends, she just decided to be monogamous with someone right now. Which is cool.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Holding out IS manipulation.
Please explain how?
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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ETA: You have this bizarre notion everyone is born from the womb knowing everything there is to know about sex and what YOU want.

Where do you get that? What makes you think that I don't communicate about that?

Why are you making that assumption?

Do you wait until the bedroom before you communicate about this stuff? I don't. That is partially what dating is about (not solely).

And YES, I expect adult women to know what works for them sexually, what doesn't work for them, what makes them orgasm and what they don't like at all. YES YES YES YES.

People that don't know their own sexuality are complete turn offs. I don't want to date kids.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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When did I say manipulation? You keep interjecting.
No, you keep splitting semantic hairs. You described manipulation and game-playing, regardless of whether you choose to recognize it as such. You were describing the use of sex as a tool that one person withholds from the other to manipulate their behavior, rather than an activity two people pursue together out of common desire.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:45 AM
 
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Not the best as I lost a lover to a relationship, but it is full and the people I sleep with are good friends which is great.
I don't think you stuttered in your post up there.


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She was a LTR. And she wasn't "just" a sex partner, we were together 8 years and we're still close friends, she just decided to be monogamous with someone right now. Which is cool.
I don't know if this was quick back-peddling on your part or you have a twisted notion of what an LTR is. LTR is terminology for a Long-Term Committed Relationship between TWO people. It is not slang for Long Term Recreation.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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No, you keep splitting semantic hairs. You described manipulation and game-playing, regardless of whether you choose to recognize it as such. You were describing the use of sex as a tool that one person withholds from the other to manipulate their behavior, rather than an activity two people pursue together out of common desire..
So waiting to have sex, to figure out if the person is someone you really want to enter a relationship with, is manipulative game playing? If that isn't some ass backwards thinking I don't know what is. From my experience girls HAVE sex to manipulate. I don't think you grasp the concept of this thread.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don't know if this was quick back-peddling on your part or you have a twisted notion of what an LTR is. LTR is terminology for a Long-Term Committed Relationship between TWO people. It is not slang for Long Term Recreation.
LTR means long-term relationship. Period. There is no number or commitment level in the acronym.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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I don't know if this was quick back-peddling on your part or you have a twisted notion of what an LTR is. LTR is terminology for a Long-Term Committed Relationship between TWO people. It is not slang for Long Term Recreation.

No, it isn't. An LTR is just that. A long term relationship.

LTRs can be monogamous. They can by polyamorous. They can be open relationships and they can be casual relationships, or FWBs.

One of my friends is married and they're poly. Married 13 years with three kids. You're telling me they're not in a LTR? Of course they are. Don't be silly.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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No, it isn't. An LTR is just that. A long term relationship.

LTRs can be monogamous. They can by polyamorous. They can be open relationships and they can be casual relationships, or FWBs.

One of my friends is married and they're poly. Married 13 years with three kids. You're telling me they're not in a LTR? Of course they are. Don't be silly.
And in the realm of searching for a wife/girlfriend (which is what the OP conveyed), most guys would find that a turn off.
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