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Yes, I know we judge (friends and I) men a lot. I think it should be that way.
On both sides.
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Trust me, women judge men so much, moreso than men judging women. You just haven't been on the other side.
So...it's about payback, then? Or I guess tit for tat?
That's kind of sad. I'm not being facetious, I really mean it.
Why waste time keeping a scorecard? It doesn't help anything and it will never even up some invisible score. Resentment shows. (That is a unisex observation, BTW.)
Why may I ask is it important that women look "hot" at any age? Why are you men so shallow? It is like women are nothing but sex toys to you and not people.
Good grief. I think I am in some kind of time warp. Women aren't body parts but human beings. I wish you guys would get it through your thick heads for once and stop evaluating women's worth through something as futile as looks. It isn't like you MEN are any prize in the looks department after age 50 because you are not. In fact most of you look much worse than women your age do, and after age 60, most of you look like you are headed for the grave.
Someone seems to be angry here. Oh well it takes all kinds
So...it's about payback, then? Or I guess tit for tat?
That's kind of sad. I'm not being facetious, I really mean it.
Why waste time keeping a scorecard? It doesn't help anything and it will never even up some invisible score. Resentment shows. (That is a unisex observation, BTW.)
It's not about payback, it's about fairness. If I'm not attracted to you that's okay. If you're not attracted to me, that's okay. And that should be okay.
The problem is that people are trying to reduce attraction to take away any physical component and they can't. That being said, I don't want to hear you complain about guy's judging women when the reverse happens.
O.K., I believe when you say that you can tell when you see her "disrobed," but she was fully clothed and doing her shopping @ Walmart. So...???
lol. Well what happened was that she was coming towards the entrance and the Walmart employee and I were going out of the store and the lady crossed path with us and obviously we both saw the same thing. She was wearing one of those nice blouses that accentuates her chest and usually when that happens you can tell. She looked great and it was obvious that she was no 20 something year old woman but she was a very nice looking mature lady. I see more and more women in their late 30's 40's and 50's who defy father time and break the myth that after the age of 30 they are no longer attractive than in previous decades and I think that is a wonderful thing. More power to them.
Why may I ask is it important that women look "hot" at any age? Why are you men so shallow? It is like women are nothing but sex toys to you and not people.
Good grief. I think I am in some kind of time warp. Women aren't body parts but human beings. I wish you guys would get it through your thick heads for once and stop evaluating women's worth through something as futile as looks. It isn't like you MEN are any prize in the looks department after age 50 because you are not. In fact most of you look much worse than women your age do, and after age 60, most of you look like you are headed for the grave.
Pssh, men in their 50s (hell, their 60s) can be ridiculously hawt if they're taking care of themselves. And we ladies can enjoy the view
It is bunk. The entire thread is totally revolting. All about women and their body parts. Men need to lay off the porn and start developing social skills to see women as PEOPLE, not as sex toys.
Is is ALL men by any chance? ......
And not sure that you'd believe me but most men DO look at a woman as a person.... And most have the social skills to meet and greet women and treat her with respect
I known this as both myself and my circle of merry mates do absolutely nothing less than ^^^^ and would be ashamed If we did
It depends on where she has had it and how close you are to her. If her forehead and eyebrows don't move and she can't make a lot of facial expressions, yes, it's obvious. Just walking past someone you might not be able to tell, but once you start talking and part of her face moves and the other part is smooth and still, that's a pretty good clue.
The most obvious plastic surgeries are lip jobs (oh, my good grief with the trout-pouts) and entire facelifts that give the face that stretched-out look. Nosejobs can be obvious, too, if the surgeon didn't do a good job or the person didn't heal right.
But minor work like lower bleph (just getting rid of bags under the eyes), fillers for wrinkles, skin peels, and laser resurfacing generally aren't noticeable. I'm looking into a lower bleph, myself. The rest of my face is fine (no deep lines, only some crows feet when I smile, lids still high with lots of lid space), but some puffiness under the eyes makes me look tired when I'm not.
There are a lot of things women (and men) can do now. There are shots to melt fat from under the chin, as well as ways to freeze fat from the chin and abdominal region. This stuff actually destroys the fat cells, so it's permanent. It doesn't work for overweight or obese people, but if someone is in good shape otherwise and just has some stubborn fat and wants to go from a 28-30-inch waist to a 26-27-inch waist, or just get a flatter tum, it's great. Point is, a LOT of women have had stuff done that one could never tell, in addition to just taking good care of themselves (no sun, no smoking, etc.).
I apologise for the delay in replying my love
Again I wouldn't know it from Adam myself, say she can't frown how long does that last for? .... In others words for example ......when you go to the dentist and you have a tooth out, you would get a local anaesthetic and your mouth would go numb for an hour or 2 and you wouldn't be able to speak properly or have full movement but after a few hours it's fine........ Is it the same with Botox?
Yeah thank you for explaining what Bleph is LOL.... ( you saved me plenty of time browsing Google I believe ).
The only thing I can say I've seen with some certainty is a few boob jobs and one that had a nose job ( she told me but you would never of guessed ) .... Thank you jade for such a great and informative post so I believe you that many could have " work done " and we would be none the wiser
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Originally Posted by TheImportersWife
I do Botox and fillers and wonder if people can tell. I don't think it's obvious and I'm pretty certain my husband would be upfront with me about how it looks considering he foots the bills and this stuff ain't cheap.
Or he realises if he did have a problem with it and tell you what he thinks the medical treatment he would need would cost a lot more than the Botox LMAO.
No LOL but seriously do you mind me asking how much it costs?
Thank you
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. I find nothing wrong with it. Whatever women do to stay beautiful is ok with me as long as it does not jeopardize their health
. She was wearing one of those nice blouses that accentuates her chest and usually when that happens you can tell. She looked great and it was obvious that she was no 20 something year old woman but she was a very nice looking mature lady. I see more and more women in their late 30's 40's and 50's who defy father time and break the myth that after the age of 30 they are no longer attractive than in previous decades and I think that is a wonderful thing. More power to them.
Pssh, men in their 50s (hell, their 60s) can be ridiculously hawt if they're taking care of themselves. And we ladies can enjoy the view 
