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Old 11-12-2015, 08:48 AM
 
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Men can easily control if women are attracted to them
I can't even tell if you're being serious here.

Men can easily take initiative to change things about themselves, but that change is rarely easy and one can never assume that women will find that change attractive.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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Shyness is something that can be overcome. I was extremely shy and awkward when I was younger, in fact I never dated in high school. There were other factors for this, but the shyness was a big part of it. You just have to force yourself to be more proactive and with time it gets easier. Rejection is a part of life, whether dating, job hunting, promotion, etc. Not everyone will be compatible with you, in fact the majority won't.
The problem is, even when I personally attempt to "break out of it" and approach a woman anyway, some still act like b-words (just to be honest) and that in turn kind of pisses me off because I feel like, culturally speaking, I'm forced to put myself out there (when it seems unnatural to me to begin with) only to get a slap in the face when I do it.

And then people wonder why some guys probably feel it's just easier to deal with escorts and be done with it, but I digress.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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I am aware that many women complain about there not being any good men or are irritated by the "losers" (in their words) who approach them on a regular basis. Yet, they refuse to actually talk to the men that they like behind the guise of "it's a man's job to approach." Actually, I think it's because they themselves don't want to be rejected.

So my question is, if they KNOW that no one wants to be rejected, why do so many women write guys off for being shy with women or for "lacking confidence"? You would think that since they obviously have the same issue, they would have more sympathy and understanding, no?
So you want women to be nicer to the guys who don't talk to them?
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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I can't even tell if you're being serious here.

Men can easily take initiative to change things about themselves, but that change is rarely easy and one can never assume that women will find that change attractive.
As TenorSax83 said, it's all in your control. Only you have the power to improve yourself, be confident enough to approach women, and stop making excuses for your failures. Until you change, you will never stand a chance of attracting anyone. By improving yourself and putting yourself out there, you at least have a chance. That's better than nothing which is all you'll get by incessantly whining.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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The problem is, even when I personally attempt to "break out of it" and approach a woman anyway, some still act like b-words (just to be honest) and that in turn kind of pisses me off because I feel like, culturally speaking, I'm forced to put myself out there (when it seems unnatural to me to begin with) only to get a slap in the face when I do it.

And then people wonder why some guys probably feel it's just easier to deal with escorts and be done with it, but I digress.

Where are you approaching women? What type of women are you approaching? Have you done anything to put yourself out there more? How are you at reading social cues? Do you have a lot of friends?

If you want to give up and just deal with escorts for the rest of your life - that's your choice. Have at it!
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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I'm talking about women who basically write guys off JUST because they lack confidence or are a bit shy and not for any other reason.

Yes, I would write off guys like this when single. Why? Because I have a very strong personality and don't want a doormat and I'm sure the guy wouldn't enjoy it either.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:54 AM
 
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Compassion in dating? Lmao
In all fairness, do you want to date someone for charity? Or because you like them?

I would rather say no upfront then after 1 or 2 dates.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:54 AM
 
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The problem is, even when I personally attempt to "break out of it" and approach a woman anyway, some still act like b-words (just to be honest) and that in turn kind of pisses me off because I feel like, culturally speaking, I'm forced to put myself out there (when it seems unnatural to me to begin with) only to get a slap in the face when I do it.

And then people wonder why some guys probably feel it's just easier to deal with escorts and be done with it, but I digress.
Some women simply are. Not much you can do about that. If it makes you feel any better, consider this:

While, as a man, you are definitely pressured to be outgoing....women are pressured to maintain a physical standard. As I previously mentioned, each gender (as a whole) values certain traits differently.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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I'm shy; no woman ever rejected me because of it.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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As TenorSax83 said, it's all in your control. Only you have the power to improve yourself, be confident enough to approach women, and stop making excuses for your failures. Until you change, you will never stand a chance of attracting anyone. By improving yourself and putting yourself out there, you at least have a chance. That's better than nothing which is all you'll get by incessantly whining.
I agree with all of that. That, however is different than this:

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Men can easily control if women are attracted to them
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