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So, self supporting are kids that are kicked out of parents house at age 18, struggling to get an apartment, low paid job, maybe some night classes at a college... usually moving in with a "girlfriend", and what also usually follows - having a kid or two... Living from paycheck to paycheck, taking payday loans etc.
Because God forbid they are still living with the parents to finish their education and get some saving to start independent life, living with sibling or in an condo owned by parents.
In most cultures, other than American, that's a very smart, normal way of transition from a adolescent to adulthood.
agreed.
America's culture is foolish and based on people getting into debt in an attempt to look "independent" when in reality they are enslaved to their debt burden.
It is much more difficult today than it was 20 years ago for someone to "launch" independently. For those that are, many end up being "married" to their job as while it may pay well, it requires 60+ hour workweeks with abnormal schedules. Most of today's economics require two incomes to "launch", unless people are gaming working the welfare system which is alive and well in our day and age.
Living with family to strengthen both theirs and their parents financial situation is a smart way to go about it.
Who says all people living with their parents are freeloader stoners playing video games in their mom's basement not contributing? I know of people financially contributing to their families as well. So their is a symbiotic relationship going on in these tough times to survive.
In the end, you have to do what you have to do. If people are shallow and can't see past what people tell them is right and wrong there's nothing anyone can do about that.
I could always say that my brother and I have been saving for years, and bought the apartment together, they don't have to know specifics or that my parents bought the apartment. I would never take a woman to that apartment anyway, but at least, is better than saying that you live with parents, and later being found out.
I have lied to people about it in the past but was never found out, because I never take anyone home. I don't have many friends either. My acquaintances all believe I live with a roommate. Whenever I meet new people I say the same thing.
Oh, now I understand. You want advice on how to lie to your friends and potential relationship partners. Eventually your wife and kids.
Sorry, you won't get that from me. Now I can see exactly what kind of spineless mooch you are. Definite red flag.
America's culture is foolish and based on people getting into debt in an attempt to look "independent" when in reality they are enslaved to their debt burden.
It is much more difficult today than it was 20 years ago for someone to "launch" independently. For those that are, many end up being "married" to their job as while it may pay well, it requires 60+ hour workweeks with abnormal schedules. Most of today's economics require two incomes to "launch", unless people are gaming working the welfare system which is alive and well in our day and age.
Sorry, the challenges are no different than 20-30 years ago. Now young people starting out won't even consider spending half their take home pay on rent and working an extra part time job until they get their first promotion. But that's what we all did in our 20s. Living with parents for more than a few months after college was not an option back then for anyone I know.
Sorry, the challenges are no different than 20-30 years ago. Now young people starting out won't even consider spending half their take home pay on rent and working an extra part time job until they get their first promotion. But that's what we all did in our 20s. Living with parents for more than a few months after college was not an option back then for anyone I know.
It was not only not an option, nobody wanted to stay home with their parents. We wanted our independence and were proud to be broke, living in a scummy apartment working as a cashier at Winn-Dixie, eating Ramen noodles and hot dogs.
That's what made us appreciate the better jobs, the higher pay with corporate health insurance, etc.
It helped shape us and made us set goals.
If everything is just handed to you, you will never understand that and appreciate what you have.
You don't have to live in Mommy's apartment. If it makes you feel so bad you would lie about it, go out and get your own place that you won't be ashamed to bring people back to.
Humans aren't made perfectly. We don't live in a utopia where everyone is honest. Everyone lies, they do it on social media and real life. Even so... I've been careful not to tell lies that hurt others.
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It was not only not an option, nobody wanted to stay home with their parents. We wanted our independence and were proud to be broke, living in a scummy apartment working as a cashier at Winn-Dixie, eating Ramen noodles and hot dogs.
That's what made us appreciate the better jobs, the higher pay with corporate health insurance, etc.
It helped shape us and made us set goals.
If everything is just handed to you, you will never understand that and appreciate what you have.
Yup, I lived in a damn rooming house. It was gross. Ramen and $.49 bean burritos were most meals. Ugh.
Oh, now I understand. You want advice on how to lie to your friends and potential relationship partners. Eventually your wife and kids.
Sorry, you won't get that from me. Now I can see exactly what kind of spineless mooch you are. Definite red flag.
I never asked for YOUR advice on how to lie to people about my living situation. Why would strangers who don't know me need to know whether my parents bought me an apartment or not? Why should I tell them? Why should I talk about my financial situation? If I get plastic surgery, should I tell them too?
You look down on me and act like I have lost your respect as if you were a potential partner or someone who I'm looking for approval of? Am I supposed to care about how some random forum member feels about my actions? lol I simply asked how society and people see 2 brothers living together.
Everyone lies in this world. Only people who don’t know how life works put emphasis on honesty – if you are not cheating, you ain’t trying. You can’t win honestly in a dishonest world. Period. Some get it, most don’t.
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I never asked for YOUR advice on how to lie to people about my living situation. Why would strangers who don't know me need to know whether my parents bought me an apartment or not? Why should I tell them? Why should I talk about my financial situation? If I get plastic surgery, should I tell them too?
You look down on me and act like I have lost your respect as if you were a potential partner or someone who I'm looking for approval? Am I supposed to care about how you feel about my actions? lol I simply asked how society and people see 2 brothers living together.
If you don't care about what we or anyone else thinks, why the heck are you posting on here asking for our opinions?
Humans aren't made perfectly. We don't live in a utopia where everyone is honest. Everyone lies, they do it on social media and real life. Even so... I've been careful not to tell lies that hurt others.
Typical spoiled millennial. Entitlement on top of slippery ethics.
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