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Actually, you're the one that brought up your mother. Read the post and check the time stamp. If a mod makes a cut, they usually note it. That's not to say I didn't have your mother in mind when speaking of your family members, but it certainly wasn't an attack on anyone's mother. And, if it's such sacred ground, then why do you speak so horrifically about her gender? You are the one embracing disrespect.
I am an individualist, and as such, I am not going to deny that some individuals suck. However, your comment that men are all averse to drama and gossip, and just "cool and chill" is ludicrous -- and patently contradicted by reality and thousands of years of history, which have been nothing if not violent and turbulent. If anything, history shows that men as a general rule are nothing like you described.
I was talking about social relations/interactions now, and I frankly think you went a bit too far in mentioning the Inquisition, history, etc.
I am an individualist, and as such, I am not going to deny that some individuals suck. However, your comment that men are all averse to drama and gossip, and just "cool and chill" is ludicrous -- and patently contradicted by reality and thousands of years of history, which have been nothing if not violent and turbulent. If anything, history shows that men as a general rule are nothing like you described.
OK...I think that when he posted that, he said that it was something he has heard women say. I've heard women say the same thing; doesn't mean I agree with such a generalization. But I do think there is something in the female psyche that somewhat plays into this behavior, just like there's something in the male psyche that makes them competitive as well.
Yeah...some. This particular woman's behavior isn't indicative of most of my relations with other women.
And your use of the term some, points to that. Honestly, I find it sad that there are folk that have only one kind of experience with people.
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I do believe that she saw me as competition for male attention; she wanted that in her life even though she's married. I doubt she was looking to mess around on her husband..she just needed validation for what feminine charms she had. She also saw me as competition for the friendship of other women. She basically went after both a couple of my close women friends as well as the man I was dating at the time.
I have fought the impulse to put her in her place...which would be a piece of cake for me...because I realized that she's already there.
I have the same issue with my husband's ex-girlfriend. She's a pain the arse but I tolerate her. Honestly, she's a mental case and I try to muster compassion, which is one of the reasons I allow her to be a part of our lives. People turn out this way for good reasons and she's no exception. She's had it rough and in turn seeks self-worth/value in wrong ways.
OK...I think that when he posted that, he said that it was something he has heard women say. I've heard women say the same thing; doesn't mean I agree with such a generalization. But I do think there is something in the female psyche that somewhat plays into this behavior, just like there's something in the male psyche that makes them competitive as well.
Metlakatla! You spoiled it!
It's interesting that two women, one of whom makes a living by sniffing out BS, spent the last two hours vigorously dissecting that post and attempting to prove me wrong because they simply misinterpreted it.
I did hear women say that. To these Indignation Brigadiers/N.O.W. militants, the fact that I didn't specify that it's "some" or "a few" or "certain" made me guilty of demonizing all the women on Earth.
Thanks for getting it - it was amusing as long as it lasted.
I was talking about social relations/interactions now, and I frankly think you went a bit too far in mentioning the Inquisition, history, etc.
History is built on social relations and interactions. So the behavior of masses of men throughout history -- who were in charge for most of it, after all -- certainly disputes your assertion regarding men's propensity for drama, emotionalism, hostility, etc.
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You mentioned my mother first, not me.
Actually, she didn't. She said "women in your family" and "women in your life" -- not exactly an equivalent of specifying it down to "mother". And the first time she mentioned "mother", she didn't say anything offensive about her -- on the contrary, she chastised you for demonizing a group of which your mother is a member.
Anyway, you using the outrage over your mother as a pretext to attempt to divert the discussion away from the substance of your initial comment -- acting on the principle that, whatever the odds are, offense is the best defense. Your overreaction, therefore, was calculated. (I mean, to characterize it as spontaneous would require assuming that you are awfully emotional, and we couldn't have that, now, could we.) I don't know about others, but those kinds of tricks don't work on me.
I have the same issue with my husband's ex-girlfriend. She's a pain the arse but I tolerate her. Honestly, she's a mental case and I try to muster compassion, which is one of the reasons I allow her to be a part of our lives. People turn out this way for good reasons and she's no exception. She's had it rough and in turn seeks self-worth/value in wrong ways.
Is there value in allowing your spouse's ex to be a part of your life and of his as well? I just hope you don't regret mustering compassion - if she's a "mental case," I speculate she wouldn't be as compassionate if she were in your position and you in hers.
I did hear women say that. To these Indignation Brigadiers/N.O.W. militants, the fact that I didn't specify that it's "some" or "a few" or "certain" made me guilty of demonizing all the women on Earth.
If I said "We women are angels and all men are scum, always raping," without specifying "some", I'm sure you'd have a fit. Be honest now. And I could throw in, "Men told me this."
Is there value in allowing your spouse's ex to be a part of your life and of his as well? I just hope you don't regret mustering compassion - if she's a "mental case," I speculate she wouldn't be as compassionate if she were in your position and you in hers.
If there are children involved..yeah, there's value in it.
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