Closely monitoring the NAMI* NOAH's Ark Expedition progress (examples, myth, quote)

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

When you can show proof of spiders in TURKEY,you know,the country in which the ark is supposedly found,post it.You keep posting things about any place but Turkey.Why?

So do you believe there are border guards that will not allow spiders into Turkey because they don't have their proper papers. Spiders are found everywhere. The most comprehensive list of spiders found in Turkey comes to us from Karol (1967). And he list no less then 302 species. Consider the link below.

The Checklist of the Spiders of Turkey (Araneae; Arachnida) (http://www.spidersofturkey.com/home.php - broken link)

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

So do you believe there are border guards that will not allow spiders into Turkey because they don't have their proper papers. Spiders are found everywhere. The most comprehensive list of spiders found in Turkey comes to us from Karol (1967). And he list no less then 302 species. Consider the link below.

The Checklist of the Spiders of Turkey (Araneae; Arachnida) (http://www.spidersofturkey.com/home.php - broken link)

I will presume from your silly answer that you have no proof that TURKEY has spiders that live above 130000'.anyone who understands micro ecological systems has no need to ask stupid questions about border guards.The fact that a species is found in Russia is no proof that the species is found anywhere else.You are desperate,and it shows.I look forward to your excuses when the science proves this to be a hoax.


This ark claim is dismissed by the other Christians ark experts.That says it all.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

I will presume from your silly answer that you have no proof that TURKEY has spiders that live above 130000'.anyone who understands micro ecological systems has no need to ask stupid questions about border guards.The fact that a species is found in Russia is no proof that the species is found anywhere else.You are desperate,and it shows.I look forward to your excuses when the science proves this to be a hoax.


This ark claim is dismissed by the other Christians ark experts.That says it all.

Well your orginal question asked me to show you proof of spiders living in Turkey, which I did. Now you want me to show you proof that a spider can live at 13,000 feet in Turkey. And if I do that, will you then ask me to show you proof which spider took up residence in the Ark? It appears each time I prove something, you just keep raising the bar.

And it matters little to me what uninformed experts claim about this discovery, especially when we have experts who have actually been to the site, and are not uninformed. However, if someone does not want to believe something, listening to the uninformed may be the best way to go.

[NightBazaar]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

Now you want me to show you proof that a spider can live at 13,000 feet in Turkey. And if I do that, will you then ask me to show you proof which spider took up residence in the Ark?

Yes, as a matter of fact, please do show which spider took up residence in the Ark. After all, cobwebs are shown in one of NAMI's photos, and you're a staunch supporter of NAMI in terms of believing what they say is true.

BTW, the link of the list of spiders in Turkey, although interesting, doesn't say a thing about their habitats or anything else, not to mention whether there are any on Ararat. Also missing from that list are the jumping spiders of Nepal or any jumping spiders for that matter.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by NightBazaar

Yes, as a matter of fact, please do show which spider took up residence in the Ark. After all, cobwebs are shown in one of NAMI's photos, and you're a staunch supporter of NAMI in terms of believing what they say is true.

BTW, the link of the list of spiders in Turkey, although interesting, doesn't say a thing about their habitats or anything else, not to mention whether there are any on Ararat. Also missing from that list are the jumping spiders of Nepal or any jumping spiders for that matter.

The point of my post was not to give the exact spider, or which species of spider nested in the Ark. I have no way of knowing that. My post was to show, that such a thing was not impossible as some here suggested. And it is obvious, that spiders can be found at greater altitudes then Mt. Ararat. Of course, there are those who would like to dismiss such facts, only because they do not want to believe that Noah's Ark, and the flood really happened. So they demand evidence that would be impossible for anyone to know. In order for them to keep up their denials, the keep asking for the impossible. As if that some how aids them in their arguement.

[sanspeur]

Onward ho! I have often heard it stated by creationists that fossils were all in the sedimentary layers put down by Noah's flood, perhaps even by you Campbell. Ignoring for now that they are not all found in any one layer, my question to you is...Why is there no sedimentary layer anywhere on Ararat?

[rifleman]

I'm gone for a few days, and what do I find on my return? Why...Tom defending spiders from entirely different habitats, now transplanted onto glacial Turkish habitats and ecologies! Wow! Great!

Originally Posted by Campbell34

The Ark had many spaces where a spider could nest, it would be silly to suggest that no spiders would be found there because it had water running through it. Some spiders even live on water.

Yet historically, the Ark has been viewed in plain site, exposed to all. Today it is buried in deep ice, yet this has not always been the case.

Originally Posted by riflegeologist

Wrong. When again was it completely exposed as a valid true wooden Ark boat, Tom? Link please, showing the archeologically confirmed total exposure of a true wooden barge/boat and not a vague geological formation, which all the previously claimed sightings have actually been resolved down to.

Else, it's all GORE™GORE™GORE™GORE™GORE™GORE™GORE™GORE™

But I notice you oddly do now agree that it's been re-covered by vast moving, grinding high-pressure ice sheets. Tom said: "Today it is buried in deep ice, yet this has not always been the case." And yet it has somehow remained structurally intact despite that such glacial forces can and do reduce stone to "rock flour". Hmmm. I'm confused. Again.

Originally Posted by Campbell34

The cave is the Ark itself buried under ice, and it must be in an area of stable non moving ice. The fact that researchers have already been walking around inside wooden rooms should give you a heads up, that nothing has been ground to bits here.

Originally Posted by rifleman

Repeat Point: They are not "researchers", Tom. They're Chinese Theme Park Developers. They have ZERO credibility right now, except with naive, blindered fundamentalist Christian acolytes. The one true archeologist they did involve disclaimed it all when he spoke to the guy who transported the fake wooden beams up there to be implanted in an ice cave. Or somewhere.

Now of course, if this were evidence against a scientific explanation you'd spray it all over C-D, but when it discredits the faker theist's nutball position, you defend it. Nice! Credible!

Repeat: they are not "researchers". You give them far too much credit! They're fakers. But then also, 1) why must it be in a stable geological or ice area when real Ararat geologists, not those looking for Arks and such, have claimed it to be all a big moving glacier?

You denying those measurements? How's about that ≈1890-something's massive debris landslide that originated right from where the NAMI Ark is supposed to reside? God must have interceded, huh?

But then, 2) As I've told you so many times now, Tom, none of what you confidently claim, and you with no more credentials than being a wildly speculative City-Data poster, and with no scientific training, has been credibly confirmed by any scientific team yet. No "rooms"; no structure; just melt-caves.

None of it has been validated.

Simple enough for you? repeat: They have only found melt caves, not rooms. No such real evidence yet exists. None. Just artists' concept drawings, as you well know but won't be honest about. So... you're essentially dishonest, Tom, aren't you?

Else why are they trying to find some such folks and go back up there, especially if they are 99.9% (snort. guffawww...chuckle...) sure it's The Ark? In statistics, that's 100%. So why look any further?

Originally Posted by lifertexan

When you can show proof of spiders in TURKEY,you know,the country in which the ark is supposedly found,post it.You keep posting things about any place but Turkey.Why?

Originally Posted by NightBazaar

Oh, what a tangled web you weave. You didn't do any additional research on the subject, did you? You just relied solely on what you found quoted on a Regional Pest Management website. It's not that they're wrong, but it doesn't tell the whole story. It only took me a few moments to find more information.

Why don't you do a little bit of homework instead of taking things at face value and leaping to conclusions, then try to pass it off as the final word because of a tiny fragment of info you happened to find on a Pest Management website? But then isn't that how most of your beliefs are based about Noah's Ark/Mt. Ararat?

(rflmn™: to wit: GORE™)

...no understanding that sometimes stretching the truth is not an uncommon practice in that part of the world.

Righto! Next: Revisit post #199.

Then, ahem....

"It's NAMI update time!"

Specifically, there's been no PR conference in Turkey this past mid-July week. No announcement of their formed-up and highly credible scientific study team. No financial breakdown, or expedition schedule; nothing at all. How odd, given they've got to get up there within the next 6 weeks!

Time's running out for these pikers!

[Campbell34]

[quote=rifleman;14992287]I'm gone for a few days, and what do I find on my return? Why...Tom defending spiders from entirely different habitats, now transplanted onto glacial Turkish habitats and ecologies! Wow! Great!






There are numerous spiders found in Turkey riflemen, so there is no need to transport them from anywhere. According to the link below, there are 613 species of spiders to be found in Turkey.

The Checklist of the Spiders of Turkey (Araneae; Arachnida) (http://www.spidersofturkey.com/home.php - broken link)

And we do know according to the link below, that spiders of Ararat can be found in High Mountian Ecosystems, above 4000 m. It appears your not up to speed on this, and maybe you need to consider taking another course in basic biology. And according to the link below, some spiders can be found, (IN TEMPORARY SNOW AND ICE CAVES). In Caucasian mountain caves, we find a number of high mountain specialist species that only live there. (THEY ARE CHARACTERIZED BY ADAPTATIONS TO THE COMPARATIVELY SIMPLE STRUCTURED HABITATS, HARSH ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND SHORT VEGETATIONAL PERIOD AT HIGH ALTITUDES).
I hope that helps to answer your question riflemen.

Of course, these are the conditions we find at the structure located by the NAMI. Spiders will not be found in that structure when cold conditions continue for years. Yet when there were a number of years where the Ark was exposed, spiders could exist there.

http://CAUCASUS-SPIDERS.INFO/SPIDER-HABITATS/ (broken link)

The fact is riflemen, trying to suggest that spiders could not of taken up residence in the structure found by NAMI. Such a belief has little to do with reality. And such conditions have existed in the past that would allow for this. Links point out, that spiders are found in the Caucasian mountains that exist above 4,000 meters. And that is the same altitude and same mountains where NAMI found the structure. riflemen, if you going to have an opinion, you really should base it on the evidence, and not one's personal desire or beliefs.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

............. if you going to have an opinion, you really should base it on the evidence, and not one's personal desire or beliefs.

I find that rather humorous coming from you old horse!

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

You are desperate,and it shows.I look forward to your excuses when the science proves this to be a hoax.

This ark claim is dismissed by the other Christians ark experts.That says it all.

Originally Posted by Campbell34

There are numerous spiders found in Turkey riflemen, so there is no need to transport them from anywhere. According to the link below, there are 613 species of spiders to be found in Turkey.

The Checklist of the Spiders of Turkey (Araneae; Arachnida) (http://www.spidersofturkey.com/home.php - broken link)

Of course, these are the conditions we find at the structure

...located by the NAMI. Spiders will not be found in that structure when cold conditions continue for years. Yet when there were a number of years where the Ark was exposed, spiders could exist there.

And that is the same altitude and same mountains where NAMI found the structure.

riflemen, if you going to have an opinion, you really should base it on the evidence, and not one's personal desire or beliefs.

Originally Posted by Rafius

I find that rather humorous coming from you old horse!

I couldn't have said that one better myself, Rafi! Thx!