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Old 06-30-2007, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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I recently read that St. Justin was a heathen philosopher before his conversion, and his Christianity was of a mongrel type. He wore a pagan philosopher's robe, or pallium, after his conversion, called himself a Platonist ( Platonic realism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ), and always seemed half a heathen. His effort appeared to be to fuse Christianity and Paganism, and it is not easy to harmonize his statements. His Pagan idiosyncrasies colored his Christianity.

I gotta go to bed...my eyes are burning! I'll check this out tomorrow or Monday!
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Austin Texas
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A mongrel christian? You've already stated that I was an unbeliever, and that I didn't believe the bible in another post. All the while you seem to interpret the bible at your leisure. But to call my home-dog St. Justin a "Mongrel Christian" is completely unacceptable

And now Pagans have to endure being called "heathens" by you?

Don't always focus on removing a splinter from your neighbors eye when you have a plank in your own!
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Debary, Florida
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I don't mind if people call me heathen...it kind of makes me laugh...AND of course if these same people are calling me heathen...that means they will stay away from me for fear it will wash off on them and thats also fine with me.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:41 PM
 
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It is my opinion that religions rely on emotion rather then logic
Just wondering.....

Have you ever read any of Thomas Aquinas? He's recognized (historically) as the greatest philosopher for 2000 years between Aristotle and Decartes. His writings synthesizes faith and reason. He was considered a prominent intellectual of his time.

His writings examine some of the following, where he shows that God's existence is not so obvious that it needs no proof; and that it is not so obscure that is cannot be proved. He refutes both extremes of "dogmatism" and "skepticism" about the existence of God.

Some of his writings include:

Proofs for the Existence of God

Ontological and Cosmological

Three Premises to Cosmologial Argument:

1) an implicit logical argument
2) an explicit empirical datum (motion, causality, etc)
3) a metaphysical principle

Whether the Existence of God is self-evident

Whether it can be deomonstrated that God exists

A true demonstration is proof that a certain property necesarily follows from the essence

There'a a great deal more.... check him out.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Debary, Florida
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I am aware of him. I was raised in a religious family, a very emotional religious family.

I prefer to rely on scientific proof for things.

Of course Thomas of Aquinas has alot of interesting things to say however it is just history, its no proof of anything to me.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Somewhere along the path to where I'd like to be.
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I'm sorry but I don't believe your claim...lets see some proof, like a link to a reliable AND objective source for example.
Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:11 PM
 
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I recently read that St. Justin was a heathen philosopher before his conversion, and his Christianity was of a mongrel type. He wore a pagan philosopher's robe, or pallium, after his conversion, called himself a Platonist ( Platonic realism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ), and always seemed half a heathen. His effort appeared to be to fuse Christianity and Paganism, and it is not easy to harmonize his statements. His Pagan idiosyncrasies colored his Christianity.
Yes, born to pagan parents, but Justin was beheaded under the order of the prefect of Rome (Rusticus) for upholding Christian beliefs and refusing to sacrifice to the Roman gods.

In regards to the Mass and the Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist:

Justin's First Apology (A.D. 148-155)

In his Apology, St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius explaining the practices and beliefs of Christians. St. Justin clearly and carefully explains the teachings of the second century Church regarding the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. St. Justin emphasizes the the requirements of baptism and the need to approach the Sacrament prayerfully and with a pure heart. Justin notes the Eucharistic prayer of "considerable length" and the active participation of the community in the Mass. St. Justin specifically points out that the Apostles handed down the teaching of the literal interpretation of Christ's words at the last supper. The Eucharistic celebration described by St. Justin in Ch. 67 shows remarkable resemblance to today's Mass
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:15 PM
 
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I recently read that St. Justin was a heathen philosopher before his conversion, and his Christianity was of a mongrel type. He wore a pagan philosopher's robe, or pallium, after his conversion, called himself a Platonist ( Platonic realism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ), and always seemed half a heathen. His effort appeared to be to fuse Christianity and Paganism, and it is not easy to harmonize his statements. His Pagan idiosyncrasies colored his Christianity.
C'ome on Jeffdance....I'm sure you don't dismiss St. Paul....and he used to kill Christians
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Austin Texas
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Hundreds of them!
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Old 07-01-2007, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Jeff, you've got some misconceptions about orthodox Christianity's views of paganism. We don't dismiss paganism simply for being pagan. Even the pagans got it right sometimes. This is why we can look to Plato and find many wonderful truths.

C.S. Lewis once wrote that Christ fulfilled both Judaism and paganism (a statement that still gets him roasted in many circles).

Just because you see Christianity and paganism sharing some common beliefs does not necessarily mean they are cross-pollinating. Truth is truth, no matter the teller. If my pagan neighbor tells me the sky is blue, I am hardly going to disagree with him on the basis of his paganism.
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