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Old 11-05-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You can't do anything objectively. Because you're involved, you always bring your own biases into anything you do.
Not necessarily ...I study or investigate many things or ideas to simply satisfy my curiosity...No bias involved. For instance I have recently found out about a group of species that never ages and potentially could live forever if it were not for predation...Anybody with a modicum of curiosity about the world around them does this without bias, as do many scientists.

Perhaps a scientist will study this immortal life form with the goal of finding the gene that causes it not to age in order to increase the human life span...
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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You can't help but have a bias. Even if it's a subject you know nothing about.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Charles? YOUR bias is showing.

You couldn't study God objectively, because you've already made up your mind.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You can't help but have a bias. Even if it's a subject you know nothing about.
You are being obsinate to the point of being ridiculous.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Charles? YOUR bias is showing.

You couldn't study God objectively, because you've already made up your mind.

Wrong again. I have not made up my mind. god may exist. I am just waiting for someone to provide more evidence. However the more I study it, the more evidence there is that suggests religiosity and spirituality are psychological states of mind. Meaning, there are a lot of valid reasons and arguments for why people believe in god. Many of these reasons are related to how the brain works, how we protect ourselves, how we cope, how we control and want to be controlled, how we socialize, why we socialize, how we desire to be part of a group and how we manage risk.

That may be why there are different religions and languages in different parts of the world. It is probably no coincidence. People have historically banded together for protection and to live more efficiently. Religion and government have served to bind people.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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You can't help but have a bias. Even if it's a subject you know nothing about.
Wrong objectivity, DA. Can your god be studied independent of personal bias.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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For instance I have recently found out about a group of species that never ages and potentially could live forever if it were not for predation....
"Turritopsis nutricula"?
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:37 PM
 
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"Turritopsis nutricula"?
I heard the same thing about some turtles. We sit at a potential problem with negative senescent, which is that our pithy 80 year lives pales in comparison to 500+ year old species (and going). Do they just have incredibly long lives, or are they negatively senescent? (Is that a proper phrasing?)
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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"Turritopsis nutricula"?
Sea anemones are very long-lived, reaching 60-80 years and more. Like other Cnidarians, they do not age, meaning they have the potential to live indefinitely. Most fall prey to predators before a good age is reached. http://www.oceanicresearch.org/educa...cnidarian.html

The jellyfish ( Turritopsis nutriculais) is a member of the same family.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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Of course it's possible. In fact, I spent decades of my life trying to decide just which side of the fence I was on. After all is said, there's no proving the answer.

Then, I started actually paying attention to my life, my inner life. I thought about all the times when that still, small "voice" inside would advise me against and action that I would do anyway, and the disasters that resulted. I thought about the times I did follow it, and the rewards I reaped. After that, I discovered the overwhelming peace I felt when I decided to acknowledge that inner presence as my in-dwelling God.

I don't buy the Christian rhetoric hoodoo, but I know now that there certainly is a God presence that exists beyond the physical world we live in, and it is there where peace exists. The Buddhists call it The Buddha. True Christians know it as The Christ. True Muslims know it as Allah.

Whatever you want to call it, I can give testimony to its existence without a doubt.
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