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Old 11-27-2010, 10:47 AM
 
Location: OKC
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You know, this is a discussion board. One might expect atheist to discuss their point of view here.

Most of the rest of the time, we keep it quite (at least in the bible belt.)
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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Yes, this is a copout. He used his religion to justify his agenda.
But it shows the extreme danger religion poses, as the majority, a.k.a. the believers were so quickly and clearly duped by this buffoon, cause he said god told him to invade.

He may have heard voices in his head, but it was not god talking to him, but mental illness. Sane men don't start wars.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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But it shows the extreme danger religion poses, as the majority, a.k.a. the believers were so quickly and clearly duped by this buffoon, cause he said god told him to invade.

He may have heard voices in his head, but it was not god talking to him, but mental illness. Sane men don't start wars.
Not all people who are religious are that extreme. Many are very peaceful people. Same goes for atheists.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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Not all people who are religious are that extreme. Many are very peaceful people. Same goes for atheists.
Were you around during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? Did you happen to pay any attention at all?

Bombing babies into stains on the walls of their homes was an easy sell once the 'god told me' card was played.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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Were you around during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? Did you happen to pay any attention at all?

Bombing babies into stains on the walls of their homes was an easy sell once the 'god told me' card was played.
I respectfully disagree with this example. The rational for invading Iraq was secular, and while Bush did admit to having prayed about the decision, that was not part of the wars selling points.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:34 AM
 
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I respectfully disagree with this example. The rational for invading Iraq was secular, and while Bush did admit to having prayed about the decision, that was not part of the wars selling points.
At the risk of getting our knuckles rapped for going political the same principals of religion were used, i.e. we can't find the WMD's but we know they are there were secular.

Here in the buckle of the buy bull belt, the buffoons relationship with god was a big selling point.

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Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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At the risk of getting our knuckles rapped for going political the same principals of religion were used, i.e. we can't find the WMD's but we know they are there were secular.

Here in the buckle of the buy bull belt, the buffoons relationship with god was a big selling point.

Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq
All of that was revealed after the war. I don't recall that admission being publicized prior to the invasion. But we are digressing, so I'll let you have the last word.
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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In my experience, atheists generally don't care so much that people believe other things, they just think it's silly.
The only people I've found who really care, desperately, whether "people worship Jesus, Allah, birds, frogs, chickens or a rock" are the people to whom the Great Commission means something. I know there's one church which tells its adherents that they won't get to Heaven if they don't take people with them. To me, that sounds less like a spiritual path and more like Amway. But I really only care when they try to add my scalp to their collection. Otherwise, I-- like the atheists-- just think it's silly.
Atheist get no credit, for not behaving like the religious. We are expected to shut up and do whatever silly tradition the rest of them are doing. Else we are being disrespectful, or "militant".

Many of the religious, only like the freedom of expression, when the expression is religious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URA7z699QhA
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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I respectfully disagree with this example. The rational for invading Iraq was secular, and while Bush did admit to having prayed about the decision, that was not part of the wars selling points.
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"I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:47 PM
 
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"I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
From the context of our discussion, I hope you understand that we are talking about whether Bush sold the war to the public based on religious reasons, not simply whether Bush personally had religious motives.

Since your quote was publicized years after the war had started, it doesn't prove that Bush sold the public the war based on religious reasoning, only that Bush had prayed about the decision before the war.
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